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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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quote zocoloco:

quote Veerkracht:

Hi Zoco,

A while ago youre reg was not working good.
Is it 100% right now?

Robert.

Sorry . I lost your post in this battle of Kuwait thing……… 😳

Honestly I don’t know. I have been shooting my other R3. Which seems to perform better…….. 😀

I shall soon be getting back to the other one though and will report of any findings as they emerge……..

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Hi Trygve,

I think there has been enough figthing over Kuwait….
When the other R3 is coming back, it will be multishot I asume? 😉
You can start youre comparison all over agian. 🙂
And take it to the 200.000 views!

Regards, Robert.

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quote zocoloco:

Hi all.

My thinking is that this “battle for Kuwait” is something that should never have been brought to this forum in general and it has certainly no place in this thread…..

I am NOT a moderator (on this forum), but being partly responsible for this particular thread, I think I am allowed an opinion….

While it certainly is interesting to learn about different business practices and approaches from the various parts of the world, – the way the Kuwaiti fight for dealership has now “infected” the forum and this thread may soon qualify as “spamming”. In my view the situation is getting a little bit out of control, – and I cannot see anything good coming out of it. Not for any of the parties involved……..

While I certainly appreciate “freedom of speech” and the high level of “tolerance” practiced on this “Edgun, Cricket and Bullpups”-part of the forum, – I don’t think outright “hostility” and crime like suggestions should ever be allowed to be a part of it…….

I have approached the forum management/moderators with my view and suggested that some “moderation” may be called for…….

Thanks….

Trygve in Oslo 😀

quote Veerkracht:

Hi Zoco,

A while ago youre reg was not working good.
Is it 100% right now?

Robert.

Sorry . I lost your post in this battle of Kuwait thing……… 😳

Honestly I don’t know. I have been shooting my other R3. Which seems to perform better…….. 😀

I shall soon be getting back to the other one though and will report of any findings as they emerge……..

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Hi all.

My thinking is that this “battle for Kuwait” is something that should never have been brought to this forum in general and it has certainly no place in this thread…..

I am NOT a moderator (on this forum), but being partly responsible for this particular thread, I think I am allowed an opinion….

While it certainly is interesting to learn about different business practices and approaches from the various parts of the world, – the way the Kuwaiti fight for dealership has now “infected” the forum and this thread may soon qualify as “spamming”. In my view the situation is getting a little bit out of control, – and I cannot see anything good coming out of it. Not for any of the parties involved……..

While I certainly appreciate “freedom of speech” and the high level of “tolerance” practiced on this “Edgun, Cricket and Bullpups”-part of the forum, – I don’t think outright “hostility” and crime like suggestions should ever be allowed to be a part of it…….

I have approached the forum management/moderators with my view and suggested that some “moderation” may be called for…….

Thanks….

Trygve in Oslo 😀

He’s posting the same shit in both threads…honesty keep your problems in your own thread…

Could you guys take this Matador vs Cricket holy war to its original “Next Edgun ” boob throwing thread and leave this real ricket vs R3 comparison thread alone? Thanks !

Yawn

quote Gannas_Al_Rheeb:

Hi guys,,
This is azeez, owner of gannas al rheeb air guns and the exclusive dealer for Edgun here in Kuwait.
Just want to greet Mr. Ed for his piece of beauty and master of accuracy ,, THE MATADOR.

Im very proud to be his dealer because simply it is the BEST. I do not say it because i sell it but because of the excellent feed back from those who bought it from me inside and outside kuwait.
This is my first message in this professional forum and i would like to say hi for all of you and to wish you a splendid life

Regards

This picture was posted by the Matador dealer in kuwat Alanna’s al rheeb on his Instagram account before the Cricket arrival to Kuwait. In Arabic language he wrote under the image saying that ” this is the Russian Matador … The most accurate gun in the world , and even the Cricket which imitates the looks of the Matador could not compete with the matador accuracy”.
My question to him is how could you decide that the matador is more accurate despite the fact that first the Cricket is not in Kuwait yet, and everybody knows that you are just a salesman who has never shot a single shot in any airgun ever.
Despite my humble experience in air guns it is much better than yours and in my youtube comparison between the matador and the cricket I talked only about a few differences in disassembly , maintenance and the multishot capability but did not say that the Cricket is more accurate than the matador. I want you to tell the respected readers of this forum the basis of you claims regarding matadors accuracy.

Hi Zoco,

A while ago youre reg was not working good.
Is it 100% right now?

Robert.

quote Oscar123:

quote :

Sniperairgun wrote:

you know how much it hurts when you see somebody who is trying to steal your property or work or belongings.
This is exactly what your dealer in Kuwait is trying to do with me .

🙂

Well , as far as every body know and as it shows in KalibrGun Web site that there’s 2 distributors in Kuwait if you want to buy ! And you (SniperAirGun) not among of those 2 !!!

And as you have Problem with Gannas Raheeb , it approve that you are in the other side .. Which is ALHADAF Co. !!!

So,I will ask you as you are representing them and sponsored by them officially !!

Why didn’t thought that you are doing the same thing and hurting others when ALHADAF Co. was selling the “Browning A5 shotgun” !! While ALBOURY Co. Is the official dealer for Browning !! Which led them to reduce the price to the cost price !!!

Take my advice SniperAirGun

You are USED like a cigarette by the OFFICE ! & you will be thrown away when you finish your task shortly !!!

Good Day 🙂

اسمع ياقرد انت مفضوح وسوالف هاذي
مومهمه عندي وليوم كلمتك وتساب
بس اليي ريحني من زمان حكمي عليك انك حرمه وليوم اثبتلي هشي
القناص الرهيب علي الاقل صاحب موضوع بس
انت سوسه وراح ادوس علي ارقيتك

quote :

Sniperairgun wrote:

you know how much it hurts when you see somebody who is trying to steal your property or work or belongings.
This is exactly what your dealer in Kuwait is trying to do with me .

🙂

Well , as far as every body know and as it shows in KalibrGun Web site that there’s 2 distributors in Kuwait if you want to buy ! And you (SniperAirGun) not among of those 2 !!!

And as you have Problem with Gannas Raheeb , it approve that you are in the other side .. Which is ALHADAF Co. !!!

So,I will ask you as you are representing them and sponsored by them officially !!

Why didn’t thought that you are doing the same thing and hurting others when ALHADAF Co. was selling the “Browning A5 shotgun” !! While ALBOURY Co. Is the official dealer for Browning !! Which led them to reduce the price to the cost price !!!

Take my advice SniperAirGun

You are USED like a cigarette by the OFFICE ! & you will be thrown away when you finish your task shortly !!!

Good Day 🙂

Re above post
picture of Mr.Ed & the legendary Mikhail Kalashnikov may worth million word.

🙂

As my knowledge background is more into firearms world I can see that when we start the comparing between the kalibrgun Cricket & Edgun Matador we are comparing between two manufacturing schools in the world out of three ! Russian , European & American school.

Although both Cricket & Matador originally designed in Russia , we can see clearly and feel the European touch on the Cricket when it was produced in Czech from the finishing,size,magazine compartments & internal plastic parts !
On the other hand you can see the Russian school touch on Edgun Matador in the toughness and simplicity and how they doesn’t care much on the finishing but they will produce something very simple and you can depend on it in most worse conditions and will last forever !

It’s like comparing between russian : Kalashnikov,Saiga.
European : Steyr AUG , FN P90 & Giat Famas.
American : Colt ,bushmaster.

I don’t want to go too far away from your informative discussions but I hope that I did explained my idea.

As my knowledge background is more into firearms world I can see that when we start comparing between the Kalibrgun Cricket & Edgun

Matador we are comparing between two manufacturing schools in the world out of three ! Russian , European & American school.

Although both Cricket & Matador originally designed in Russia , we can see clearly and feel the European touch on the Cricket when it was produced in Czech from the finishing,size,magazine compartments & internal plastic parts !
On the other hand you can see the Russian school touch on Edgun Matador in the toughness and simplicity and how they doesn’t care much on the finishing but they will produce something very simple and you can depend on it in most worse conditions and will last forever !

It’s like comparing between russian : Kalashnikov,Saiga.
European : Steyr AUG , FN P90 & Giat Famas.
American : Colt ,bushmaster.

I don’t want to go too far away from your informative discussions but I hope that I did explained my idea at least closely

P.s : attached picture of Mr.Ed & the legendary Mikhail Kalashnikov may worth million word.

🙂

That’s strange. My R3 trigger was too light (about 9 oz. and I like a light trigger but…) and the Cricket’s first stage was way too long but the trigger was almost right at 14 oz. (perfect for my situation).

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