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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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On the picture you have shown is not Cricket, it is Hoolygun, the previous model, made by EDgun Matador by concept. So, you are right.

As for the truck, there were no guns in, even girls, they, only alcohol 🙂

As for the detailed comparison, you don’t need anybody’s information in Internet, you have both guns and ability to disassemble and assemble them again, side by side, just do it, to make your own conclusion 🙂

Ed

I agree that’s some truck !!!

Imagine that full of guns and girls !!!! :3:

Picture from the same site, – where also this comes from, – mind you not a Cricket but a Hooligun I think (bolt action):

Now here’s a more or less complete stripdown of the Cricket found on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWcPrS7HJVU

There are several others……..

Apparently the Russians have a way with YouTube videos that a lot of other manufacturers could learn from……. 😀

And its not ONLY about women and booze……… 😉

The complexity of the sidelever mechanism is scary……..

I’m still searching for a complete tech spec of the Cricket though……

Need to knough a few details like max fill pressure, volume of reservoir etc. in order to make a fair comparison of shotstrings. The Kalibr website is not very complete in that respect…….

More to come………. 😀

That was about five years ago, you can see the difference between two makers 🙂 Kalibr had a fancy bus with paid girls to attract the clients, I just a tent (you can see a part of it above Mavericks sholder) with guns on the table, no girls, no drinks 🙂 I am focused on the guns not on the necessary to sell them 🙂

Yes, the gauge was the same but then, based on the same philosopy of “nice girls, drinks and adv” they changed it to more “beautiful” one 🙂 Different people, different results…

Very interesting topic.

Keep ’em coming !

I sure do like tall, hippy, and yummy!

… oh ya… and the guns ain’t half bad either 😆

😯

What is this now ???? 😀

Somebody we know ??????

Picture borrowed from Kalibr web-site………

Where I also found this:

As you can see, the Crickets were originally supplied with a gauge similar to that of the Matadors…… 😉

Some other interesting elements in the picture as well…… 😀

Back in Oslo and will update soon……..

quote zocoloco:

Once you are ready to try it out in real terms, – don’t forget that there is nothing in the Cricket that stops you from double loading. I wish there was, – like in the HW100 which is so easy to compare with…….

There is, that little thing which you use to remove the axis for the mag has two positions, one is the mag is revolving and the other is the mag is not revolving, but the move of that switch is so tiny to my opinion. Though when you don’t need to shoot and have pellets loaded into the barrel, you should push that switch, and uncock the gun the way you do with EDgun, then cock again when you need to shoot, and mag will not be revolving.

quote Hoot:

I wonder if the R3 has a heavier spring, causing more effort to draw the bolt back?

I take it you mean compared to the R2.5 ????

I guess Ed and/or OG can answer that. I can not as I have never seen a 2.5…..

But the R3 surely takes some effort to cock compared to a lot of other bolt action rifles of the same caliber and fpe……… 😉

Now, – in conclusion to the Cricket side lever loading mechanism:

I would not have bought the Cricket just because of that. It works all right, but it is miles away from HW-standards.

Also in the beginning, – you most likely would miss a “third hand” when trying to take the mag out. The mag axle is pulled back by the knob, -but its under heavy spring tension and you need to hold the knob firmly while dropping the mag into your hand. At the same time you need to keep the side lever in the right position to keep the tip of the probe out of the way. It takes some practise, – and the mag has a tendency to fly all over the place. So practise inside a room where the mag cannot disappear………… 😉

Once you are ready to try it out in real terms, – don’t forget that there is nothing in the Cricket that stops you from double loading. I wish there was, – like in the HW100 which is so easy to compare with…….

I am about to return to Oslo now. Its pouring down here, – and shooting is no fun under these conditions.

I’ll be back………… 😀

There we go, cristal clear, thanks Ed! 🙂

quote kazzz:

I think it’s the only explenation, except maybe for also a longer/shorter hammer or stiffer valvelock.

Zoco, going to place a link to this thread on our dutch airgunners forum 🙂

Matador and Cricket have completely different hummer system, Cricket has line hummer (when the hummer is accelerating by the line spring and as the line spring has its own limit of the speed of extension it should be very tough if the hummer is light) Matador has the same line spring, but the hummer is revolving but not moving along the line. So we have higher speed of the hammer as the point of contact to the valve rod is twice as farther from the axes then point of contacting hummer by the spring. So, the time between pushing the trigger and the shot is a little shorter.

I think it’s the only explenation, except maybe for also a longer/shorter hammer or stiffer valvelock.

Zoco, going to place a link to this thread on our dutch airgunners forum 🙂

I wonder if the R3 has a heavier spring, causing more effort to draw the bolt back?

H 😯 😯 T

This is what it looks like:

I’ll leave it to the observers to draw their own conclusions………… 😉

That said, – we’re moving away from topic………

More to follow if you’re interested………

😀

quote Airgunner:

Question…and no, I’m not trying to nit pick things here or cause any problems…just an observation…It looks like the bolt and knob are pitted with rust…or is it just a little dirty? Everything else looks wicked clean/new, so I didn’t know what was up with the bolt knob and handle…

I really hope that Trygve will not be against my comments on this issue 🙂 The point is sad — the gun was travelling to Norway for about few months, and I have no idea under what conditions it was kept at all those warehouses, as far as I remember it arrive to him that way but it was send brilliant bright from me 🙂

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