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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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A very valid point !!! 😀

Not only am I struggling to get the R3 trigger pull lighter, – I am also trying to adjust the Cricket trigger so I can get a little heavier pull. More important however is to make the pull crisp and sharp. My stock trigger setting was veeery light and with no distinct difference between first and second stage. The adjustment options provided in my lady Cricket is not very useful I’m afraid, and I’m still having a somewhat undefined second stage. I have more than once released a shot without wanting to do so…….. 🙁

That said, my comments on these beautiful pups may not be valid any longer. My R3s and my Cricket are not representative for what is being sold today. Consequently I have therefore ordered a brand new and updated R3M from Ed, and I’m looking for an updated and new Cricket out of the Czech production. Any offers ….???? 😉

I know the R3 has seen a lot of improvements since I got mine. Ed’s constant strive to make things better is remarkable. I know however very little about product development on the Kalibr side…..

Does anybody ???? 🙄

Cheers
Trygve 😀

I’m not expert like you gentlemen’s but In my humble opinion and to make fare comparecion I think the purpose of using the rifle will differentiate between the triggers either I will shoot for precision on paper target on bunch rest or stalking for hunting.as I do prefer the stiff trigger for hunting

Triggers are now about the same – at least on my R3 and Cricket after adjusting them that way. The brownies are wearing off.

I have myself commented on the trigger somewhere high up in this thread . In short: I agree fully !!! 😀

The Cricket trigger and the R3 (previous models) trigger are miles apart. Still it remains a fact that we have winners in Holland’s 100 m competitions shooting Edguns, so obviously some like it and can handle it…… 😉

I am continuously jumping between Lady Cricket and the R3, – and although I have tried over and over again to adjust the trigger of the latter, it still remains rather stiff and nowhere near the Cricket trigger feel. I haven’t tried the new R3 trigger, – so things may have changed…….

But yes, you have a veeery valid point……… 😉

Apples and oranges ???? I agree again. These are two veeery different “animals”………….

But that I didn’t know at the offset of this thread………… 😉

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Hi Azzez and All,

I don’t have anything against the Matador or the Cricket and I’m not here to tell anybody which one is the best, simply because I’m not qualified for this.

Personally I think that a TODAY candidate for the best, speaking about bullpups, could be the Cricket with an HW100 like action (multishot/magazine loading mechanism, side lever, trigger).

Why a Cricket with HW100 action and not a Matador with the HW100 action? Probably because of personal preference.

Honestly ALL the EDGUN products have always put me off for what I consider to be simply unacceptable on a high level rifle, the poor trigger. The trigger is the link between the rifle and the shooter, it binds them together, it’s there but you don’t even notice it because it’s simply melt with your brain and finger. Not on the EDGUN, concentration on target was gone each time you have to fire, it takes much more concentration to properly pull the trigger than to aim. Cannot be correct this way.

Now there is a new trigger but I can’t report on it because I haven’t had the opportunity to test it.

Maybe I’m simply too spoiled. I’m only paper punching with vintage airrifles on short distances, so no need for power. But what a joy to shoot a FWB 300, a Walther LGR or LGV or a Diana 75. That was quality and accuracy and real masterpieces of mechanics.

And the thing I like best of all is that those “royalties” are there in the gun cupboard sitting with modesty.

They don’t shout out loud “I’m the best and you need royal blood to own me” like others seem to pretend today, they are simply there waiting to do their reliable and remarkable jobs, like they do since almost 45 years now.

Well a lot of people will say but we are comparing apples and oranges, yes I agree, but in order to compare and judge quality you must have seen some. (And I’m not saying you haven’t)

Just my 2 cents.

ATB

quote Gannas_Al_Rheeb:

Hi guys,,
This is azeez, owner of gannas al rheeb air guns and the exclusive dealer for Edgun here in Kuwait.
Just want to greet Mr. Ed for his piece of beauty and master of accuracy ,, THE MATADOR.

Im very proud to be his dealer because simply it is the BEST. I do not say it because i sell it but because of the excellent feed back from those who bought it from me inside and outside kuwait.
This is my first message in this professional forum and i would like to say hi for all of you and to wish you a splendid life

Regards

Welcome to the forum brother.

Hi guys,,
This is azeez, owner of gannas al rheeb air guns and the exclusive dealer for Edgun here in Kuwait.
Just want to greet Mr. Ed for his piece of beauty and master of accuracy ,, THE MATADOR.

Im very proud to be his dealer because simply it is the BEST. I do not say it because i sell it but because of the excellent feed back from those who bought it from me inside and outside kuwait.
This is my first message in this professional forum and i would like to say hi for all of you and to wish you a splendid life

Regards

Actually I have never smoked. Pass the brownies and the Kool-Aid. 😛

quote Hoot:

quote SECoda:

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

In case you don’t smoke, you can now get it in baked brownies! I prefer mine with walnuts.

quote SECoda:

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

In case you don’t smoke, you can now get it in baked brownies! I prefer mine with walnuts.

Well apparently the Matador now finally has a decent trigger and once it will be multishot and sit properly in it’s stock and maybe have also a dust cap then probably we will starting to compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges like it is still today 😆 😆 😆

and I didn’t mention the price tag :mrgreen:

ATB

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

I’ve used most famous air rifles in the market today ,full stock or bullpop models up to the latest model ( Cricket ) and came to conclusion that the Edgun Matador is the BEST & most reliable and accurate air rifle in the world for target and hunting especially for long range shooting.
So , sorry and goodby ( FX,Daystate ,evanix ) i cant go back to old age and you don’t have place in my rifle stand anymore.

Thanks Eduard


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Now the fun begins……… 😉

Got this from Ed today:

– and I just spoke with him on the phone………….

The multishot R3 IS a reality now, – but don’t expect to get any until late autumn at least…………

Looking good though…. :8: :8: :8:

Cheers
Trygve 😀

quote Naser404:

……….. are there any changes to the new ones compared to your Cricket ?

Thanks Naser ! 😀

I’m afraid I cannot tell in detail, but there does not seem to be a lot of changes apart from cosmetic ones. I’ve noticed the two step adjustment opportunity on the trigger linkage rod. I don’t have that on mine. I need to get a new Cricket to compare in detail………..

With regards to speed (power) it appears that Crickets may be sent out (world wide) with very different setings. Even on here and in the US and recent shipments, there seems to be variations. Whether that has to do with a variation in hammersprings or regulators that have been set differently (or both) I don’t know. It would be very interesting to find out how many shots people get from one fill when they shoot at 960 fps with JSB 18s as referred to above. My guess is not a lot compared to the R3. Also what sort of accuracy do these people get out of the Cricket at that speed ???

Would indeed be fun to have more detailed information from your part of the world…………… 😉

Cheers
Trygve 😀

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