Edgun Stock Problems?
Just interested to know if, and how many, forum members have not gotten the OEM stock on their Edguns, and whether any have had quality problems with the finish? The hardware has been perfect so far, but the stocks seem to keep popping up as “different” from what was expected.
I know Mamcrackin got a strange, wood stock on his Lelya that he felt compelled to refinish.
Mine has a hairline crack in the buttstock. No, its not a scratch, it’s a crack in the finish. Here’s a picture of it fresh out of the box:
I’ve noted others saying they got something other than OEM finish.
I’m not trying to cause problems, or stir things up. However, $1550 is a LOT of money to get less than a fully inspected, perfect, factory rifle. We deserve that.
Comments?
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot 😯
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Ed is spot on! These ‘cracks’ are from two pieces of wood expanding and contracting from moisture and temperature at different rates.
Structurally speaking they are a total non-issue.
I have seen this happen on many items that are shipped overseas. Sword furniture is a common item that gets lots of environmental thrashing during transport, it tends to crack and check more because it’s usually pretty thin wood.
Checking and structural cracks are from wet wood being used in the assembly process, this is not the case here.
I have a stock I made that has not been sealed yet and where I custom fit the adjustable butt plate the wood is now a good 1/32″ above the aluminum. When I lived in my last place the two items were perfectly flush. The new place has a bit more moisture than the old and so the wood expanded… Had I sealed the wood the difference would be similar to what has been posted.
Technically it shouldn’t happen if everything is dry and sealed (in a perfect world). But there are not many sealers that will protect against humidity and withstand use and uv light as well as hand wear and sweat.
The stability gained from using multiple pieces of wood trumps the hairline fractures in the paint. The stock could be made from one piece but it could potentially twist more as the humidity changes…
Hoots first shot doesn’t show the crack returning back into the routed out area to the right, which would be a sign of a de-lamination and not just surface (face grain) expansion.
Ed is there some time between final sanding and sealing of the wood? Could also be an effect of finishing the stocks in winter. Could also be when the rifle makes it to a more humid climate. Lots of variables to account for in this.
Either way it won’t fall apart on you and probably won’t even get any worse than it is now, considering we are moving out of spring and into summer…
I looked carefully at the pictures, it is not a crack. The point is that the gun stock blank was glued from different parts of the wood, with the fibers in different directions to make it more resistant to the change of the humidity and temperature.
We’ve been doing this for about five years and for all that period of time I remember only one time when that was a real crack, in wood. On this picture I see only paint crack exactly at the place where two pieces of the wood were joined. It can happen due to the changing of the temperature, I insure that under the paint that is the solid wood. I can send Tony some paint we use or you can find it yourself (just in case you will want to refresh the painting in a while) the paint is called WS Plast 4200, made in Germany, black color with the special mica.
Hope that will not make you angry with the gun and they gun will give you all the pleasure it was developed for 🙂
Ed
Tony, that was the first correspondence. Please read the rest.
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(the entire correspondence occurred May 30, 2010)
You wrote: “We have one new Matador but it has a scratch on air tank – I can give $50 off. As per the manufacturer it shoots perfectly well.”
I replied: “If it is going to take a long time before the large shipment of Matadors arrives, I may want this blemished one. But, if the large order of Matadors is due to arrive soon, I will wait for one of those. Why did you get a shipment of only one Matador? I don’t understand.”
You replied: “No the shipment was much larger, however there were a few guys in line ahead of you. The scratch does not effect the performance however allows to save a few dollars. The gun is still under the full warranty. I won’t expect more within at least a month or more.”
I replied: “In that case, Tony. Yes, I will take the gun. 🙂 So long as the scratch isn’t too big or deep. If you could, describe.”
You replied: “Here we go” (and included the photo of the scratch, which also showed the wood-grain stock)
I replied: “Tony, the scratch is acceptable. But, Ed wrote last week that all new guns were to be shipped with the black/grey stock. That is the stock I prefer. So, if that means that I have to wait, then I will wait.”
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So, as it turned out, I did not get the stock I wanted AND I waited a month to get the gun (with the scratch).
So, am I to understand that even if I had accepted the blemished gun, I STILL would have had to wait to get it?!? The point of conditionally accepting the scratched gun was to make it so I would receive my Edgun earlier.
Remember, my check was sent to you in mid May, and had cleared before our conversation re: the blemished gun ever started.
Here’s my offer of resolution:
Upon re-reading my emails to you, I can see that I may not have been as clear as I could have been. I am willing to meet you half way on this – a compromise. 🙂 If you send me a “normal” grey stock, and I send you back the wood stock, I will consider this matter resolved.
Agreed?
Ted
Ted, I’m very sorry but here is the email from you, saying that you’ll take it. There was another one dated June 15th just asking for the tracking number. Email me so we can work something out for you 🙂
RE: Final Payment for Edgun.Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:12 PMFrom: “Ted Bier” <_______@hotmail.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: _______@yahoo.com In that case, Tony. Yes, I will take the gun. 🙂
So long as the scratch isn’t too big or deep. If you could, describe.
Ted
Well, I feel better about my tiny crack now. At least I’m not alone. I’m going to try to find some matching grey paint and a really fine brush and see if I can get it to run into that crack.
Other than that, my gun is also built llke a fine watch, and if I can find a solution to addressing that cosmetic crack, I’ll share it. If someone knows a way to fix it, let me know. The mica/rough finish prevents buffing it, so I think filling it is possibly best. I just have to find the proper shade of grey.
If I come up with something I’ll post before and after pics.
Oldgoat, you say you are a “hunter and pecker”. I can’t say what kind of hunter you are, but I will vouch for the statement that you are a “Pecker”! It’s rare to see that kind of honesty come from a man’s lips.
I was hesitant to post this topic, but I’m glad I did. Our concerns were addressed, and it’s not often the owner of the company and his agent respond quickly to our concerns. That’s kind of neat. It continues to make Edguns a unique experience. Any other company and we’d be looking at a form letter, or talking to a clerk in New Delhi.
Regards,
Hoot 😯
wood is wood and even being painted it can keep some strength inside it due to the unproper drying of the blank or whatever you never can know. The difference of the temperature can cause some problems like that. So if the crack is hair thin I think that is not a problem, besides that is just a surface damage maybe 1 mm or so. No problem to replace the stock but it takes time as you understand. (I wonder if the same problems with appear with Italian made stock I will get for R3 towards the end of this year).
As for clean wood gun stock some of the customers got that was a mistake and now all the guns are delivered with the standard grey painted stock.
Saying about the long ones in .22 and .25 — I cannot do anything without the barrels, which are made by Lothar Walther, some delays in delivering can happen and I expect you understand that I cannot provide you with the guns without the barrels. Don’t forget I live in Russia, good country with the good people but absolutely stupid laws, president and government 🙁 so that fact touch EVERY side of the life here 🙁 including the delivery of some goods in and out of the country. Just for the example – recently they (I call then “they” as they have nothing in common in normal Russian people) decided to improve the post service and all the abroad deliveries stopped for about three month, just got stuck in the post office and custom offices 🙁
Tony, when he was at my place assembled few long guns but we decided not to sell them in States, as they were with 335 mm twist long barrels without a choke and Tony wasn’t sure that we can send to States. So I hade to reassemble new guns.
One wise friend of mine told me once – Edward, thing you make fast will be forgotten fast, things that you make bad will be remembered for ever! So I prefer to make it slowly but better 🙂
Ed
yeah…considering I ordered my Matador at the end of December 2009 🙁 ….and I thought the South African postal services were the worst in the world!
Ted, I’m very sorry but here is the email from you, saying that you’ll take it. There was another one dated June 15th just asking for the tracking number. Email me so we can work something out for you 🙂
RE: Final Payment for Edgun.Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:12 PMFrom: “Ted Bier” <_______@hotmail.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: _______@yahoo.com In that case, Tony. Yes, I will take the gun. 🙂
So long as the scratch isn’t too big or deep. If you could, describe.
Ted
They are ready and will go to States next week, at least some of them.
All of those are from the wood expanding and contracting from the environment. The finish will split because it contracts and expands differently.
There is nothing to worry about. If you look closely they all are in the same area and if you look at a pict of just a wood stock with no paint it will match up with the laminations.
You are all fine. No worries.
Ed, If you are still out there, Hello! When do you think that the long version .25 cal. Matadors will be ready for the states?
Hi Hoot, my Matador has 2 scratches on the left side, they didn’t come from the factory, I am a clumsy oaf!
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Tony, and Ed, have bent over backwards for me. I don’t know if there is a problem right now, if they are over extended due to demand, or what the hell is going on.
Ted, it seems to me that you should be made right.
I know how it is with production schedules and supplier delays.
I’m waiting for a .25 cal. long version Matador, I know it will get here sometime. I’m hopeing to see it in the middle of July.
I ordered a full house Greg Davis tuned .22 cal Marauder Dec. 18th. Still waiting. I hope the long Matador wait isn’t that long.
Illwill, I agree with you, I would hate to see this awesome gun go down hill.
After seeing these other posts, I wonder if my scratches might have came from the factory. It doesn’t matter to me, although the gun is built like a fine watch, when it all boils down to it, I think of my Matador as an extremely well crafted tool. I use this tool to go hunting. It is gonna get beat up. My Snap On tools get abused, just like my Edgun, and they also keep going.
I am a very slow typer, more of a hunt and pecker. While I was typing my post, a few others posted, including the man himself, Ed.
I absolutey LOVE my .22 cal Matador and I know I will LOVE my .25. Yes, I drink Edgun kool aid daily!
Hi, guys,
wood is wood and even being painted it can keep some strength inside it due to the unproper drying of the blank or whatever you never can know. The difference of the temperature can cause some problems like that. So if the crack is hair thin I think that is not a problem, besides that is just a surface damage maybe 1 mm or so. No problem to replace the stock but it takes time as you understand. (I wonder if the same problems with appear with Italian made stock I will get for R3 towards the end of this year).
As for clean wood gun stock some of the customers got that was a mistake and now all the guns are delivered with the standard grey painted stock.
Saying about the long ones in .22 and .25 — I cannot do anything without the barrels, which are made by Lothar Walther, some delays in delivering can happen and I expect you understand that I cannot provide you with the guns without the barrels. Don’t forget I live in Russia, good country with the good people but absolutely stupid laws, president and government 🙁 so that fact touch EVERY side of the life here 🙁 including the delivery of some goods in and out of the country. Just for the example – recently they (I call then “they” as they have nothing in common in normal Russian people) decided to improve the post service and all the abroad deliveries stopped for about three month, just got stuck in the post office and custom offices 🙁
Tony, when he was at my place assembled few long guns but we decided not to sell them in States, as they were with 335 mm twist long barrels without a choke and Tony wasn’t sure that we can send to States. So I hade to reassemble new guns.
One wise friend of mine told me once – Edward, thing you make fast will be forgotten fast, things that you make bad will be remembered for ever! So I prefer to make it slowly but better 🙂
Ed
Mine came with 2 clear lines similar to yours Hoot and a few other faint ones. My initial impression was it was cut by a box cutter as it was straight like a ruler. It does not seem to separate by flexing the area and only affect cosmetically. Perhaps it was due to delamination as Wok has mentioned.
I bet that is not a crack but a slight delamination. Those stocks are not from a solid piece of wood but laminations.
It probably is due to humidity popped that joint a bit. I dont think it should cause a problem.
Can you separate it from flexing or twisting the stock? If it does you need a new stock.
I have been curious as to why the aftermarket mags and 25 cal guns are
supposedly a week or 2 away for a month or 2 now. I don’t know if Tony and Ed are spreading themselves to thin or what, but things lately have
not been up to their usual high standards. Up to this point they and the guns
have been great, hopefully that will continue. I would really hate to see this
awesome gun go down hill.
Hoot if you e-mail Tony a pic of that crack I would think he would send
you a replacement stock.
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We have dry room for processing wood and painting but our dry is not as dry as in the hot counties 🙂 In fact in place where I live and we work the level of humidity is pretty hight that is why in the summer time when we have the temperature about 25 degrees above zero centigrade people are suffer from the heat but in the dry countries I easily survived in 40-50 degrees above zero centigrade. As well in the winter time the frost about 20 cold you to the bones. That can be a reason 🙁