EdgunUSA: "FX Bobcat Bullpup – Full Accuracy Review"
Ted’s accuracy review on the Bobcat. Here is where the challenge comes in for the Matador and the Cricket. It may be tough to beat w/o using Smooth Twist barrels. Fugly but accurate as heck…. 😯
Ted went with a MTC Mamba…
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I can forgive you calling my wife ugly but you cross the line once you call her comfortable, damn it !
Some folks just buy to try and do a flip sale like in real estate. Happens frequently on Edgun’s. From what I am seeing 1/2″ groups at 40 yards is reasonable.
There is .30 edgun on the yellow for sale now. As good as my .25 Cricket shoots, it would be hard to think something else would shoot better.
I want a .30 bad! i have been kicking around the Edgun or the Bobcat. I do not care how ugly a gun is. I want it accurate and comfortable. like a middle aged women. lol
How many regulated shots do you get out of the .30 cal BC and at what power/velocity ??
The .30 BC comes regulated. It is an option to buy a regulator for the .25 and .22
The .30 BCs are all regulated.
Do the .30 come regulated do you have to have them upgraded, or do you want to even
Thats what I meant. The 30 cals all seem real accurate (at least three of them) compared with some older fx guns and other calibers out of the box. The other ones seem to be a box of cherries.
I doubt that was handpicked. my .30 cal bobcat punches one hole at 50 yards all day with little effort. it puts my FX 500 to shame.
I actually agree with your comments. The “pro” reviewers always get the handpicked guns for obvious reasons. If you have been following the thread on the 30 cal Cricket they (Peter/Earnest) are developing that is why I am looking forward to the switch from ST to LW barrel. I know of a custom gun maker using ST barrels but he hand picks them and sends poor ones back. I have never said it but from just about every layman’s review I have read the STs have not been as stellar as the “pro” reviews of them by a long shot (although the 30 cal Bobcat seems to be an exception). It seems there is possibly more inconsistency in the barrels or how they shoot certain pellets or maybe it is sensitivity to the velocity they are tuned to – I just don’t know. I’ll probably buy one anyway just to try an FX. 😀
Guys,
I don’t post here much but I do lurk and follow along. Am I a noobie to airgunning? No, been shooting and competing since the Career 707 craze back in the day. I enjoy benchrest and field target. I have an Edgun .22 R2.5 and a new to me R3 .25 std. I also have two FX guns with “older” smooth twist barrels. My airgun sickness runs deep so don’t think the aforementioned guns are all I have. I’m mentioning this so when I get to the point you’ll understand.
The one thing regarding the Bobcat review that really impressed me was the accuracy of the gun. It was practically one hole at 50 yds. This looked “typical” rather than a-typical. I remember when Ted (who I respect and actually met in person at the Extreme Benchrest shoot here in AZ) did a review of his personal Edgun. The accuracy of my Edgun mirrored his exactly. It was good, but not Bobcat good.
Regarding Ted’s business association with AOA etc… I really don’t care, I’m just happy for him. I really like his reviews and enjoy his points of view. One thing that I’m wondering in the back of my mind after watching that Bobcat review is if that particular Bobcat was “handpicked” just for Ted. I don’t have any smooth twists that shoot like that. Not even close. I’ve actually had one smooth twist replaced due to poor accuracy. It shoots good, don’t get me wrong but not Bobcat good. Has Fredrik really improved the smooth twists that much?? I’m not doubting it, I would just like to confirm it. Or did he cherry pick this gun just for Ted to help himself achieve Global Domination, mmmmmwaaaahhhhhhaaa (Doctor Evil)
It would be an extremely good sales generator to showcase your best as it sure sucked me in to thinking I need one. It would definitely make me sad to replace my Edgun (which is my go to gun) with that ugly Bobcat but with accuracy like I can understand where Ted is coming from. Just some food for thought.
Re,
Guy Z
Peoria, AZ.
As you said, you do not Know Ted.
Glad to know that… So Ted told you that he doesn’t get paid by FX or DayState? For a long time, I thought (now, I know better. Thanx, knifemaker)
I noticed a change in his reviews–mostly of FXs now– and never at a 100yds, never talking about the noise, baffling, inner working, etc. I observed him shooting at live targets so casually: I recall
the video where he’s just lazying around under a shade tree and missing at 150 yards with the FX BOSS, and adding that there was absolutely no wobble
in the pellet flight during those missed long shots; that was encouraging. I also thought I was noticing a slight lack of enthusiasm in those FX videos, almost a sheepishness.
After Ted returned from AOA (Recall the videos with FX and DAYSTATE reps there), which he mentions as the place to buy, for instance, the Daystate Huntsman in the Huntsman video — not PomonaAirguns, not PrecisionAirguns,
not Topairguns– that’s when I noticed a shift in his thoroughness. But that’s probably because he has a little girl who is growing up, and his
day job is likely demanding and he has had less time. Really understandable…Well, I’m just remembering that PomonaAirguns, PrecisionAirguns, and Topairguns aren’t promoted on
his TedsHoldover.com. Most likely coincidence, I know.
Anyway, I liked that Ted’s reviews through May 2012 were of the type “Just the facts, Mam”, thorough, in an his easy-going tone of openness and obscuring nothing while being
quite likeable as a personality. But it was interesting. in the BOSS video, the second one, I think, how he was basically showing himself taking pot shots at birds ( he was just lazying, I know
It’s gotta be fun, at least, if he’s going to do this type of thing), but also telling us that he had shot a lot of birds that were dead behind the barn, even though he was showing mostly his pot shots.
Well, I’ll admit, I wanted more than that. Again, a lot of telling and not showing. I’m giving him a break on that. Heck, even Spielberg or Tom Cruise have had some less than stellar releases.
And Ted’s mentioning in the “Lazy Days with the BOSS” video that “Yea, you’re probably already wondering”– concerning .30 cal as overkill for shooting starlings– was interesting.
He was shooting birds with the BOSS, or just firing off shots lackadaisically (of course we can expect him to miss if he’s not being serious)– he answers his own question for us. He says:
“Can a starling be dead enough?” Yea, I know, he’s a regular guy, I like him– he can’t always be serious and scientific in his assessments. It’s about having some
fun when reviewing guns, I realize. Well, thankfully, that rhetorical question as an answer eliminated, for me, the question of whether .30 caliber to shoot pidgeons, starlings, and,
for that matter, sparrows is not overkill; more importantly, it kept any negative out of the picture, and that was heartening, at least, to me.
So, I can’t really say that my never fully developed doubts had any basis. Except, there is a very visible lack so far of accuracy tests for any of the FXs at one hundred yards. I can’t wait till Ted
shows us in the usual, thorough, transparent manner that he has been known for. I know he does this for the love of it. I think it was an honest mistake to title the BOBCAT review as “FULL REVIEW”.
We can expect videos on mods, improvements, inspection of the inner workings of all these FXs, right everybody? That has been the standard we know and expect. He’s never done anything less before.
He’ll get to it. He has said these FX videos are initial videos. Hopefully the third video on the BOSS or the second video for the BOBCAT goes beyond
an “initial” view.
Yea, so, KnifeMaker, what did he say to you about his relationship to FX and DAYSTATE. That newbie Boelick had no business asking such a question. He’s new.
But I think I have an idea where he got the idea. First of all, Boelick, you probably saw what I saw but assumed wrong unlike me and probably a lot of others who knew not to bring up something so preposterous.
But it doesn’t ban you from this forum, Guy.
But knifemaker, Boelick probably jumped to the conclusion that just because there are promotional banners on the TedsHoldover website for FX and DAYSTATE, that
they’re paying him; and that because of that Ted himself would keep his reviews of their products as superficial but positive as possible, enough to seem
like the TedofMadison as always. We get a lot of Ted lately—his laughing, his having fun, his convictions, yet he still gets in fifty yard accuracy tests (FX BOBCAT is his go to gun now.
Look out starlings. Here comes the rest of us with .30 cals. Ah, rabbits and squirrels too, and bigger game. Got a little carried away. I’m sure Ted will thoroughly devote himself to videos
on those targets when the lazy days of Wisconsin days are over. Can’t wait, Ted).
So thanks again, Knifemaker, for the INTEL. These new guys, that think that they can say anything because
they think people are going to listen to such claptrap, well they’re gonna just have to learn
that we don’t like questioning our respected members, regardless of what
they may have objectively observed even before joining and without any influence from what they thought others thought they should not say.
Knifemaker, I know you’re going to tell us what Ted told you, obviously you didn’t read this anywhere. And I want you to have a chance to get to it.
But this business of talking about another member—Ted– as if he weren’t in the room, I’ve always thought kinda weird (I’m recalling the comments—criticisms, concerns [especially about their logo
—about the ProHunter bullpup and the makers business style. They were listening and nobody thought to address them directly with their doubts and legal advice.
Well, I’d like to break that pattern, in this instance, at least for me. I’ll just ask Ted what the truth is about FX and DAYSTATE.
–I’m asking. Ted. If its alright. The question has been brought up. Legit and harmless enough question, maybe not.
And if knifemaker has been briefed as your spokesman for when this type of outrage came up, well, we’ll defer back to knifemaker.
Thanks…
Allo of the dealers you mention, buy their guns from AOA. AOA is the soul importer of these guns. If you have a warranty issue, they have to go to AOA. Regardless of which Dealer you buy it from. AOA is the Importer,and sole authorized dealer. Get it? Kinda tells you where Ted is comeing from.
Knife
Thanks. I heard him say that but I didn’t realize that the standard gun they sell has no moderator. Ted talked about cutting off of some of the barrel to make the moderated barrel shorter but it is already at 18.5″. Granted the ST barrels accelerate faster they say but who really knows. My Daystate Air Ranger rifle with the full Huggett system is only 40″ long so 37″ for a “bullpup” is somewhat of a mislabel IMO. 😉 FX officially calls it a hybrid bullpup design (not really a bullpup IMO). Faux bullpup maybe?
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True, many invest in the Edguns to flip for a profit but the one on the yellow isn’t the case. I assume the gent is from the west coast cause the price reflects what one has to pay for Edgun, Ups, Insurance, and an extra $25 for delivery to the west coast. The asking price is what I paid for my edgun being delivered to Ca.
forgive me gentleman I just found myself in a lie. I only paid 2,o61.00 delivered so I suspect the gent on the yellow’s asking price of 2150.00 is perhaps covering the addition shipping expense when sold. I’ll just have to revisit the yellow classified. I know, I know, get my shit together- LOL