EdgunUSA: "FX Bobcat Bullpup – Full Accuracy Review"
Ted’s accuracy review on the Bobcat. Here is where the challenge comes in for the Matador and the Cricket. It may be tough to beat w/o using Smooth Twist barrels. Fugly but accurate as heck…. đŻ
Ted went with a MTC Mamba…
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It was most certainly not an attack on Ed. I am a fan of his and have watched all his videos dozens of times over trying to pickup helpful tidbits from someone who is a much better shot than I. On his own website (Teds Holdover) he lists Crossman, FX, Airguns of Arizona and Daystate as “partners”. As for me saying the review was raving, I admit I used the wrong wording in regards to the video review. I used the word raving due to the fact that when combined with the video, on his own website he blogs that “A lot of folks are already wondering if my Edgun Matador will take a back seat to this new bullpup. And, the honest answer is âYesâ, for a very simple reason â this gun is more accurate.” “I doubt I will ever sell the Matador â mostly for sentimental reasons.” If that isnt raving from a man of Teds stature who has been so closely linked with Edguns, then I dont know.
If you read my original “question” not “attack” I stated that if he is partnered with them then he MAY be influenced to give something other than an unbiased opinion. (Maybe he’s being paid to review them, maybe he’s getting guns to keep as long as he reviews maybe he’s paying for it all out of his own pocket, I don’t know.) No different than a salesman for any other business. If he truly believes in the product he is promoting then God Bless him and I wish him, FX, Airguns of Arizona and Daystate well and offer my apologies if I am wrong. (Which wouldn’t be a first). As for the shortcomings he pointed out, IMHO they were minor shortcomings. The main thing we are all after is accuracy and function, if Its style then…
I apologize if Ive offended you or Ted, I was pointing out things that I noticed and maybe took them out of context but they did make me question the integrity of the review.
I might add that Ted is a Rabid fan of Edguns. Just saying! He had a lot to do with their popularity here in the States. He has done several videos both testing them and hunting with them. But as you already admitted, you shot your mouth off without knowing anything about Ted.
When you don’t know what your talking about, it’s probably best not to. đ
Where in hell did you get the idea that Ted is in partnership with anybody? đż He works for no Air Gun Company, nor does he work for any dealer. Nor is he part owner of one. (Which would be a partnership). đ
As you said, you do not Know Ted. and you “DID” call his character into question. And for what it is worth, the review was not a raveing review. He pointed out several shortcomings of the new FX gun.
Comments here should be at least somewhat truthful. In stead, what we got was an un-warranted attack on Ted in Mad.. who is a very highly respected Air Gun Tester who contunually gos out of his way to test and give his personal results of many different Air Guns. (On his own dime I might add!)
Your first post is IMO an epic fail. :5:
KnifeMaker
I can say one thing for sure ; It is NOT more accurate than neither the Cricket or the Matador. Accuracy wise it´s somewhat dead race between those three. It isn´t as consistent in velocity than those two either. That i can tell first hand.
It has better trigger – by far – compared to both Cricket and Matador. The “Weaver” rail (although neither Weaver nor Picatinny fits without modification to it) under the forestock is a joke. It´s bulky.
Did i mentioned that little thing about its looks? IT´S FUGLY !!!!!!!
I thought Ted’s review was correctly somewhat critical of the Bobcat. He seemed to point out the main faults. Ugly as hell, the front rail isn’t designed correctly, air fill fitting isn’t clear, pressure gauge is too recessed, stock needs some refinement (too bulky in spots and some misalignment, and way too long. I wouldn’t call that a raving review. The postives are accuracy and the trigger and the very smooth action. Seems fair to me. Also, Ted will probably review the R3 30 cal Matador and it is a direct competitor to the bobcat and not sold by AOA so I don’t agree with the point.
I know what I’m about to ask will probably get me flamed but I must for my own knowledge. I am looking to get a new airgun (Matador R3 25) sending the deposit on Tuesday. I gave pause to this idea after I saw Ted’s review and how he raved about the Bobcat but something struck me as odd. I noticed that Teds Holdover is now partnered with Airguns of Arizona and FX Airguns. I would have to ask if this partership had any sway in his review of the Bobcat. I do not know Ted and do not mean to call his character into question. It’s just that alot of people are talking of his review but if he is in a business partnership with them then I have to take his review with a grain of salt. I would be interested in hearing from other Bobcat owners what they think of the gun. If I am wrong about this, then I apologize. I’m just nervous as 2000 is alot for me to spend on an airgun and I want to spend it wisely.
I thought that is exactly where it shines. The negatives I have heard is that the effective velocity range is rather limited with smooth twist stabilizing the pellet and that some pellets work a lot better than others which can be true of other barrels.
Hello fellow airgunlovers,
I usually just read on this forum, but i have burning urge to know the following:
I ve liked that bobcat ever since i ve seen the first pics. So i couldnt wait for ted to do a review on it. I Always like teds reviews. But to be honest i was a bit disappointed with the video about the bobcat. Don t get me wrong it was a good review. But what i realy want to know, how does it preform at 100 meters. See i ve heard some good things and some bad things about the smooth twist barrel. Just because a gun does good at 50 meters doesn t mean it will preform at 100 meters.
So if anyone has some info on how it preforms at longer distances pleas let me know
thanx, ed
So do my Matadors: after I spent some time tuning them.
I read here somewhere where a Matador owner was saying that his trigger wouldnât reset if he had pulled it back thru the first stage and then didnât take the shot. The next time he tried to shoot, he didnât have a first stage and the gun just fired.
I think that if he would just turn the trigger rod tension screw nut in some more, the trigger would reset.
I like my Matadors to be set up with a very light first stage and then they come up on a slight ânotchâ; just a little more pressure fires the gun. My Matadors will reset if I donât take a shot.
I try to be ready for the shot before I start any trigger finger pressure. I want to keep my scope picture POI steady as I gradually pull the trigger back. I want to be surprised, while I am still dead on target, when the gun fires.
I got to shoot the Boss and my tuned R3 25 cal long Matador last Sat and, as they are currently set up, I like the Matadorâs trigger better.
Realistically, both triggers needed tuned and I could maybe get the Boss trigger working better that the Matadors.
Right now, the Boss really doesnât have a first or second stage. It basically takes a little pressure to fire the gun. I have tried to tune it to give me a first and second stage, without any luck, so far. I really like the way that the Matadorâs trigger is set up. Once I have gone thru the first stage, I hit the notch, make sure that I am still on the target and then increase the pressure a little more.
Works for me.
Right on !
People don´t seem to realize that the rod and the spring/nut has a tremendous effect on things. One needs to have everything working in unison and when everything does the Matador trigger is light,crisp and nice. Damn it – too late for a tissue again …
Seriously – the Ed trigger needs a lot of tweaking and that means with all its parameters – rod,tension nut,spring, adjustment screws (although i remove one of them completely on mine) and careful rounding and polishing in right places and voilĂĄ ! … Just like with the wifey : A gentle touch and off she goes. :6:
That said the FX triggers (newer versions) are a thing of beauty. No need to order your FX with the FX match trigger either or maybe that´s not an option on the dark side of the Pond at all. Or ???
Too little, too late …
Guys; I have a FX Boss and it does have a very good trigger.
So do my Matadors: after I spent some time tuning them.
I read here somewhere where a Matador owner was saying that his trigger wouldnât reset if he had pulled it back thru the first stage and then didnât take the shot. The next time he tried to shoot, he didnât have a first stage and the gun just fired.
I think that if he would just turn the trigger rod tension nut in some more, the trigger would reset.
I like my Matadors to be set up with a very light first stage and then they come up on a slight ânotchâ; just a little more pressure fires the gun. My Matadors will reset if I donât take a shot.
I try to be ready for the shot before I start any trigger finger pressure. I want to keep my scope picture POI steady as I gradually pull the trigger back. I want to be surprised, while I am still dead on target, when the gun fires.
I got to shoot the Boss and my tuned R3 25 cal long Matador last Sat and, as they are currently set up, I like the Matadorâs trigger better.
Realistically, both triggers needed tuned and I could maybe get the Boss trigger working better that the Matadors.
Right now, the Boss really doesnât have a first or second stage. It basically takes a little pressure to fire the gun. I have tried to tune it to give me a first and second stage, without any luck, so far. I really like the way that the Matadorâs trigger is set up. Once I have gone thru the first stage, I hit the notch, make sure that I am still on the target and then increase the pressure a little more.
Works for me.
Sounds like you may need a tissue with the FX trigger. đ
That said the FX triggers (newer versions) are a thing of beauty. No need to order your FX with the FX match trigger either or maybe that´s not an option on the dark side of the Pond at all. Or ???
Sorry to burst your bubble but it isn´t even nearly as nice as the BC – or any newer FX that matter – trigger. I´ve spend countless hours tweaking the trigger on my EdGun and eventually i got it pretty darn good. It took polishing,adjusting,grinding and testing + another, a bit stiffer, spring to get where it´s at but now it´s really,really good. You can ask Dr. Evil his opinion about it. If he has a good day he may even admit it´s really good.
That said the FX triggers (newer versions) are a thing of beauty. No need to order your FX with the FX match trigger either or maybe that´s not an option on the dark side of the Pond at all. Or ???
The Cricket trigger doesn’t do that and I rate the Cricket trigger higher than the Matadors. I suspect the Cricket trigger rivals the Bobcat trigger because it is mighty fine.
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Hey Mike: I was an Edgun owner and a poster here way before Ted got his first Edgun and he started sometimes posting here!
I will have to go back and check but: I think that I am the original Edgun whore on this site! I have also posted target shooting and hunting videos. Ted gets ALL of the credit for the Edgun popularity here? WTF?
I donât test and review other guns: why bother? Ted isnât a rabid fan of Edguns: THIS TEDD IS!
Mike; you need to get your shit together! đŻ
On a different note, I talked to Charlie and he gave me some pointers on casting the .257â bullets. After I scrubbed the shit out of my molds, I tried 20-1 lead tin, at 750 degrees. The NOE mold bullets came out looking great. I have found out that one of my Lyman molds casts off center bullets, the other one is doing great. One mold still has wrinkles in the bullets and casts off center. As I mike the dia, it has a difference of .005 in the low spot. It goes from .259 to .254. The other moldâs bullets still have a flat spot that measures .258â and the rest of the bullet measures .259-.260â
I thought that I sent you some bullets from both Lyman molds; I guess that I only sent the bullets from the fucked up mold. The bullets from the âgoodâ mold donât have the wrinkles and drop with a much closer weight variance. I will weigh sort, size and shoot them this week.
I also need to order more lead and tin.
PS: If I couldnât talk when I didnât know what I was talking about: I would be virtually silent! đ