EdgunUSA: "FX Bobcat Bullpup – Full Accuracy Review"
Ted’s accuracy review on the Bobcat. Here is where the challenge comes in for the Matador and the Cricket. It may be tough to beat w/o using Smooth Twist barrels. Fugly but accurate as heck…. 😯
Ted went with a MTC Mamba…
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A question for the Bobcat experts. Why is Ted’s .22 Bobcat so long? Is there both a long and short version of the .22s. I see AOA shows the .22 as a 29″ long gun with a barrel that ends right after the air reservoir. Ted complains that he wished the barrel ended where the one AOA sells actually does. What am I missing? 😮
Of course Ted has some kind of connection, that’s the way it works, 1st you do all kinds of videos and reviews and eventually if you are good you get picked up by companys,
Is he on Payroll ? probably not,
but to a degree is is connected, I can say this for personal experiace, I’m nowhere near as good as Ted nor I do reviews videos and I myself been given free guns, so with the kind of work ted does I’m not surprised if he gets all kinds of stuff.
And this is NOT bashing, I like Ted and …Good for him if he got recognised and he’s getting something out of it.
I, like Bleece, see three ads and three ads only.
Daystate, AoA & FX. All link back top AoA.
Who got the first photos of the FX BC?
Did Ted really pay full retail for a rifle (two rifles actually) that are waaaay too long for his tastes?
We all know how these things go, you get discount stuff or free stuff, money for ads, money for videos, it can get sticky and complicated quick.
30cal tests should be 100 yards and beyond. Although it was a great group it reminded me of a post where the guy shoots five shot groups at 20 yards with a pcp 177.
I don’t recall seeing any recent long distance Bobcat posts on the Yellow. Please post them up. The rifle should be capable. :8:
Ill send my deposit in for the Edgun Matador R3 Long .25 on Tuesday Thank-you all again, its scary spending that kind of money without getting your hands on the item first and your information helped ease my mind.
A very wise choice! And you see – KM can play nice too.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2. This POS iPhone sucks though …
As you said, you do not Know Ted.
Glad to know that… So Ted told you that he doesn’t get paid by FX or DayState? For a long time, I thought (now, I know better. Thanx, knifemaker)
I noticed a change in his reviews–mostly of FXs now– and never at a 100yds, never talking about the noise, baffling, inner working, etc. I observed him shooting at live targets so casually: I recall
the video where he’s just lazying around under a shade tree and missing at 150 yards with the FX BOSS, and adding that there was absolutely no wobble
in the pellet flight during those missed long shots; that was encouraging. I also thought I was noticing a slight lack of enthusiasm in those FX videos, almost a sheepishness.
After Ted returned from AOA (Recall the videos with FX and DAYSTATE reps there), which he mentions as the place to buy, for instance, the Daystate Huntsman in the Huntsman video — not PomonaAirguns, not PrecisionAirguns,
not Topairguns– that’s when I noticed a shift in his thoroughness. But that’s probably because he has a little girl who is growing up, and his
day job is likely demanding and he has had less time. Really understandable…Well, I’m just remembering that PomonaAirguns, PrecisionAirguns, and Topairguns aren’t promoted on
his TedsHoldover.com. Most likely coincidence, I know.
Anyway, I liked that Ted’s reviews through May 2012 were of the type “Just the facts, Mam”, thorough, in an his easy-going tone of openness and obscuring nothing while being
quite likeable as a personality. But it was interesting. in the BOSS video, the second one, I think, how he was basically showing himself taking pot shots at birds ( he was just lazying, I know
It’s gotta be fun, at least, if he’s going to do this type of thing), but also telling us that he had shot a lot of birds that were dead behind the barn, even though he was showing mostly his pot shots.
Well, I’ll admit, I wanted more than that. Again, a lot of telling and not showing. I’m giving him a break on that. Heck, even Spielberg or Tom Cruise have had some less than stellar releases.
And Ted’s mentioning in the “Lazy Days with the BOSS” video that “Yea, you’re probably already wondering”– concerning .30 cal as overkill for shooting starlings– was interesting.
He was shooting birds with the BOSS, or just firing off shots lackadaisically (of course we can expect him to miss if he’s not being serious)– he answers his own question for us. He says:
“Can a starling be dead enough?” Yea, I know, he’s a regular guy, I like him– he can’t always be serious and scientific in his assessments. It’s about having some
fun when reviewing guns, I realize. Well, thankfully, that rhetorical question as an answer eliminated, for me, the question of whether .30 caliber to shoot pidgeons, starlings, and,
for that matter, sparrows is not overkill; more importantly, it kept any negative out of the picture, and that was heartening, at least, to me.
So, I can’t really say that my never fully developed doubts had any basis. Except, there is a very visible lack so far of accuracy tests for any of the FXs at one hundred yards. I can’t wait till Ted
shows us in the usual, thorough, transparent manner that he has been known for. I know he does this for the love of it. I think it was an honest mistake to title the BOBCAT review as “FULL REVIEW”.
We can expect videos on mods, improvements, inspection of the inner workings of all these FXs, right everybody? That has been the standard we know and expect. He’s never done anything less before.
He’ll get to it. He has said these FX videos are initial videos. Hopefully the third video on the BOSS or the second video for the BOBCAT goes beyond
an “initial” view.
Yea, so, KnifeMaker, what did he say to you about his relationship to FX and DAYSTATE. That newbie Boelick had no business asking such a question. He’s new.
But I think I have an idea where he got the idea. First of all, Boelick, you probably saw what I saw but assumed wrong unlike me and probably a lot of others who knew not to bring up something so preposterous.
But it doesn’t ban you from this forum, Guy.
But knifemaker, Boelick probably jumped to the conclusion that just because there are promotional banners on the TedsHoldover website for FX and DAYSTATE, that
they’re paying him; and that because of that Ted himself would keep his reviews of their products as superficial but positive as possible, enough to seem
like the TedofMadison as always. We get a lot of Ted lately—his laughing, his having fun, his convictions, yet he still gets in fifty yard accuracy tests (FX BOBCAT is his go to gun now.
Look out starlings. Here comes the rest of us with .30 cals. Ah, rabbits and squirrels too, and bigger game. Got a little carried away. I’m sure Ted will thoroughly devote himself to videos
on those targets when the lazy days of Wisconsin days are over. Can’t wait, Ted).
So thanks again, Knifemaker, for the INTEL. These new guys, that think that they can say anything because
they think people are going to listen to such claptrap, well they’re gonna just have to learn
that we don’t like questioning our respected members, regardless of what
they may have objectively observed even before joining and without any influence from what they thought others thought they should not say.
Knifemaker, I know you’re going to tell us what Ted told you, obviously you didn’t read this anywhere. And I want you to have a chance to get to it.
But this business of talking about another member—Ted– as if he weren’t in the room, I’ve always thought kinda weird (I’m recalling the comments—criticisms, concerns [especially about their logo
—about the ProHunter bullpup and the makers business style. They were listening and nobody thought to address them directly with their doubts and legal advice.
Well, I’d like to break that pattern, in this instance, at least for me. I’ll just ask Ted what the truth is about FX and DAYSTATE.
–I’m asking. Ted. If its alright. The question has been brought up. Legit and harmless enough question, maybe not.
And if knifemaker has been briefed as your spokesman for when this type of outrage came up, well, we’ll defer back to knifemaker.
Thanks…
Good choice. I am actually a bit partial to my .22 Cricket for the sparrow problem (gift) I have around my house. It is small (27″), light, and very maneuverable but I really need them both. 🙂 I also enjoy the Matador when I feel like slamming them with .25 Predators. The effect on sparrows reminds me of prairie dog hunting which I also do with PBs. You will enjoy it a lot. Don’t mind the money. I have about as much in airguns, tools for them, and accessories as a new Harley so I don’t feel too badly and use them nearly every day year round working from home. I have not found a need for the R3M but maybe will when I run out of new stuff to buy. Right now I am hunting for the right 30 cal bullpup.
Ill send my deposit in for the Edgun Matador R3 Long .25 on Tuesday Thank-you all again, its scary spending that kind of money without getting your hands on the item first and your information helped ease my mind.
After reading yours and knifemakers (Thank you for playing nice. I didnt want to piss off someone who makes some beautiful knives. If I hit the powerball I wouldnt mind owning one.) replies I think I know the answer. This is the first model for the Bobcat and to be honest I’d rather spend my money on something thats already refined. Ill be doing a mix of bench and climbing through the Maine underbrush and I Think the Edguns durability and weight will be better in that situation. The Edgun has plenty of how to videos already online that people have made. I never did get an overwhelming feeling from the Cricket stuff Ive read. Also with the Matador Ill have the single shot I want and with the introduction of the Matador R3M, according to Ed and Tony, Ill be able to convert the Matador to a multi shot should I feel the need. Thank-you all for your input on this. I look forward to reading more of the lively discussions on here and hopefully having something stick.
Ill send my deposit in for the Edgun Matador R3 Long .25 on Tuesday Thank-you all again, its scary spending that kind of money without getting your hands on the item first and your information helped ease my mind.
Here is a first draft at it. No comments from the peanut category. 😛 Actually opinions are welcome because a lot of factors are just that – opinions. Since there are standard and long versions there are a bit more choices not to mention caliber but I will factor shot count with caliber since they are related. I will assume .25 caliber for some hunting and since best results seem to be from .25 Predators in various guns.
1 = best
Cricket / Matador (R3 or R3M) / Bobcat
1) accuracy 1 / 1 / 1
2) durability 2 / 1 / 2 (like Consumer Reports says too new to know for BC but previous models have had some issues IMO.)
3) ergonomics 2 long / 2 long / 1 (ugly but probably best ergonomics because of it)
4) Predators-type n/a / 1 / 1 (Cricket mag doesn’t fit Predators.
5) Dealer support 1 / 2 / 1 (no local Edgun support except distributor)
6) Owner rep 2 / 1 / 1 (Ed and Fred both have good reps. Maverick hides)
Here is a start. So far I would say the Cricket is out. Still a toss up between the Matador and the Bobcat (Bobcat is very new and a few minor issues have been identified). What else is important?
OK Damit, I’ll be nice. 😈 And yes Tedd, I know you are the orginal whore (ED Gun) Whore.here! 😆 (And sheep pimp! 😯 ) Buuuuttttt, no one stuck your dog under the bus 😯 . So I didn’t drag you into it., 😆 (Speaking of whores, did I mention our Head boy Lama is back!? Good to see him back State Side and well!). Hope he comes up to our place shooting soon. 😀
And for those wondering, there is Ted, and thern there is OUR TEDD!!! And he has rung out those ED guns to the umpteen’th degree! Ted has also found that the smooth twist bbls. wern’t that accurate for him. RoachCreek found the same. As did Nassar. Why I don’t know. Some are super accurate. Some not so much. But then again, same can be said for Lothar/walthers as well. This one area where Ed Guns have an edge in my opinion. The bbls are made to Ed’s specs, and set up for the JSB from the get go. Not only that, the barrels are honed, or polished in the interior. Good Stuff here. Custom Gun Level!
FX has an ongoing testing progran with their smooth twist bbls. and hae made many changes since their original introduction. They seem to be getting better and better.
Dave G on the yellow has done extensive testing with them for his ultra accurate custom guns. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. (I hate pudding! 👿 ). Tof can attest to their accuracy. (Where the hell is Tof anyway?) 😕
So the jury is still out on which is better. Ed Gun, Cricket, Bobcat. Hell, I just wish I could afford one of them. Or at least shoot one first hand. 😉
Tedd, I wonder how in the hel Lyman managed to machine a mold flat in one spot. 😯 A damed shame, as you milled it shorter to get a lighter bullet. As you know, I milled mine a bit too far. 😳 ended up with 54 grains, but was shooting for 63 or so. But they are shooting GOOD!!! :8:
Another thing I have tried to get the mold really clean before casting is blasting it with break cleaner spray. Works very well. 😉
Still wondering about the lead in the bottom of the pot not having a chance to come to heat when you drop it in. I talked to Charlie about it, but I don’t think I made myself clear on what I was saying.
I too need to order lead, but it will be next month. This fixed income thing requires one thing at a time. 😥
The one thing that soures me on the FX guns is that the mark up is terrible. Way over what the retail is supposed to be. And we are taking a soaking here in the States on them. Or should I be nice and just say we are being RAPED! 👿 Thanks AOA. Grrrr!
Tedd, I have never caught one of your Vid’s. Link me up guy!
KnifeMaker
There is another factor – pellet type. All I basically shoot in my .25 std. Matador are Predators for pesting. They are devastating on birds and small game and are just as accurate as JSB Kings in my gun. Do you plan on primarily hauling it in the field or shooting from a bench? I mainly shoot pests but I still shoot from bench rests on a 2nd floor covered deck.
After reading your factors please include length (longer preferred as im a big guy), shot count, ergonomics and dealer support. Edguns single shot has my attention as well since Ill be able to use the predators if desired.
Important factors for me are:
Ruggedness / Durability
Ease of maintenance and being able to work on given limited knowledge.
Accuracy over long range
Will be used for target shooting / plinking and small game at varying ranges.
I guess also just the fun factor. Any day I get to shoot my airguns is a fun day, some just make it easier than others.
An odball factor for me is who makes it. (I know, corny). While I dont know him personally, Ed of Edguns seems to be a down to earth guy who is very skilled at what he does. To him all this looks simple. He talks of good values in his family and for himself and if I have to part with that much money, the kind of person who makes my gun is important. Again I only know him from a couple chats and his videos, but I get a good feeling from him. Even me being no one special, he took time to answer my questions and help me with info.
Thank-you for your time and help in this.
It depends on your criteria in selecting an airgun. I value more that just accuracy so if I were you I would prioritize the list of criteria and I think one will pop to the top. The good news is we have never had a selection of incredible well made accurate airguns like we currently have. That said when It comes to accuracy I don’t think you will find out whether or not a Cricket, Matador, or Bobcat is the most accurate any time soon (I am sure a few diehards will try). I shot competitive bench rest 20 years ago and we argued which action, barrel, and caliber was the most accurate for many years. When tweaked and tuned they all outshoot us and any one of them can win a match in the right circumstances with the right shooter. More importantly, they are throwing imperfect lead that adds too much variability to the results. So I would say accuracy alone gets you to three choices in bullpups. What else is important to you and maybe we can help you? For myself, I need to own at least one of each. 🙂
some criteria that differentiates these guns:
trigger
weight
length
availability
shot count
ergonomics
aesthetics
scope to barrel distance
length of pull
magazine or single
magazine capacity
reliability
ease of maintenance
cost
availability of parts
dealer support
loudness
to name a few
I kinda knew I shouldnt have posted my original as such so please allow me to rephrase my post, (as I am looking for help from people whom I consider to know much more about airguns than myself).
I have 2 grand of money that I have saved up from very hard work (and a very understanding wife). I have been interested in the Edguns for quite some time and have done alot of research on them. Tony is expecting a new batch of .25 Matador R3 Longs in soon and if I want one I need to get my deposit in fast. I was all set to do so when I saw the review by Ted (Teds Holdover) on the new FX Bobcat.
I would like peoples honest opinion as to which they may choose given the same circumstance as I would probably not be able to afford both guns. I know in the end the choice is mine to own but I would like to have the valued opinion of others (including the cranky knifemaker) who are more informed than myself. Im just kidding KnifeMaker, I know where you are coming from in the replies to my original post. I do have the utmost respect for you and would value your opinion as well. As Tedd said: “PS: If I couldn’t talk when I didn’t know what I was talking about: I would be virtually silent!”
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Brant standards size is 29 inches but he added the optional moderator. In the video he said that without it, it is to loud.
Edit* Found this on his blog:
rjmichna says:
August 23, 2013 at 6:24 am
Thanks for the review Ted. My experience thus far with my 0.22 Bobcat is essentially the same:
– Damn accurate
– Great trigger
– Bad rail (I milled it off and mounted a MagPull polymer picatinny rail)
– Great shot count / regulation
– Solid, but on the heavy side
– Not quite “Neighbor Friendly” on high power
(Can you share the details on the extra moderator? FX made?)
Rich in CT
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Ted says:
August 23, 2013 at 7:16 am
Yes, Rich. It’s an FX Moderator – the same one that bundles with the FX Verminator. I ordered two the same time I ordered the guns (Bobcat and Indy). I had a suspicion the gun would crack a bit without one, based on my experience with the Verminator. I can’t remember the price, but they didn’t break the bank.