Filling The Tank
Newbie here,
No surprise with this question.
When installing the Adapter onto the Bottle, I see no means of (depressing) the Top Hat.
Is it correct to assume that the in-coming pressure depresses the Top Hat and allows for filling?
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The more times the valve stem is removed the more chance of damaging the seal due to misalignment. I say this because of experiencing it. A full tank is more likely to cause damage than a low fill. Why would one want to remove the stem when it not needed to start with? Sounds like a pump problem not a tank problem. For safety sake please follow manufactures guide lines which certainly never say to remove the stem. These are high pressure devices & the wrong actions could result in injury or death. MTC
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It’s about time I got a fakkin’ picture!!!
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Here ya go DH……Just because I care 😆
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DFH
Bingo! Redneck Thug© is a badge of honor in the South and I’m glad you noticed.
Chadders, you weren’t one of the chaps who chased our Top-Gear presenters down the highway for having “HOMO” painted on their car were you? 😆
Bingo! Redneck Thug© is a badge of honor in the South and I’m glad you noticed.
NEVER REMOVE THE TOP HAT AND STEM FOR FILLING OR TRANSPORT.
The more the top hat and stem are removed the more it will change the tolerances of the valve and it will become loose and start to simply fall out once the resistances to the delrin valve and brass neck has been worn away.
If you wish to protect the top hat and stem then get one of these. It can be purchased from your AF dealer.
Well, if you’re that un-concerned don’t you think it was a wee bit OTT to call me a “moron” over it? That kind of behaviour labelled you to me immediately as some sort of red-neck thug. Absolutely no need for that kind of piggishness.
Why do I remove it? Because the chap in the shop did and I figured it could foul the adapter and/or get damaged in the knock-about. How many side-ways clouts would it take until the brass collar got deformed enough to compromise the air-seal? That is already at best an issue without the o-ring mod. See where I’m coming from? For the sake of a little effort I’m removing a delicate component from the equation and possibly preventing an issue further up the road.
For the same reason I remove the bottle from the rifle when transporting it; why put an unneccesary load on the length where the fulcrum is a steel collar held in place only by a couple of grub-nuts. Prevention is better than cure, no? So long as it’s not overtly dangerous.
Ninja, have I given the impression of being a know-it-all? I have unashamedly sucked data from wherever and whoever I can get it. And refered to myself as an ignorant noob in the process. Intelligence (info, knowledge, data) is everything (right up there with who you know 😆 ) and I’ll take whatever is going, slavishly. But just because I ask a question doesn’t mean I am bound to go with the answer. I evaluate what I get; if it’s good, it stays. If it’s unclear, I seek clarification. If it sucks I discard it. Sure, sometimes bad stuff stays and good stuff gets chucked, welcome me to the human race.
Jumping in at the deep end…maybe I can swim, I just don’t know the fancy crawls? Redesigning the wheel…I’m sure somebody said something like that to the chap who wanted to put rubber around it. 😉
If I’m going to be picked apart for having a personality, or a bit of self-confidence, so be it. I’ve not found that an uncommon experience, though it usually doesn’t start until I’ve done something I said I was going to do that everyone else said I wouldn’t be able to do. Come on, who hasn’t been there?! 😆
Yes, I’m sure the guys are very intelligent, and I never said otherwise. Me too, I have an IQ of 143. So what? Most of these guys could machine me under the table. But they have a head start, don’t they? Will I catch up? Probably not. But will I achieve what I want? Yes, I will. Modest goals though, unless you happen to think mine of building a regulator is a significant challenge? Forgive me for thinking otherwise. Mike’s, yes, I wouldn’t attempt that with a pole. But my crude and simple design? That might actually achieve the same thing? Worth a shot. If that’s jumping in at the deep end and re-designing the wheel call me Leonardo. 😆
Now stop being mean to me, before you scare me away. Even if all I do is entertain you with my apparent idiocy…
I’ve found that it’s good to chew peanuts while filling the tank if it’s a Tuesday. If it’s a Friday than licorice is best. On Saturday only a beer will do.
As far as I know, doing any of these will yield a better outcome than the best you could expect from removing the tophat and stem before filling the tank. I haven’t tried any of the above in conjunction with the proposed filling procedure, but wouldn’t expect a significant improvement vs the activity on its own.
Seriously, you don’t have to take it apart to fill the tank, there seems to be no advantage to doing so, and the procedure does have some risks and takes time, so why bother. Don’t want to bust your nuts Lang, but why do you bother taking it apart, is there an advantage that I haven’t realized or did you just think that the adaptor would hold the valve open if you didn’t?
By the way, anyone got a part number for a replacement o-ring for the adaptor? I haven’t lost it yet, but I will as soon as it’s really inconvenient not to have it.
Jimbo
You tap it gently back in until you hear a little pop, that’s it fully seated.
OH NOES! DANGER! HIM PLAYING WITH HIGH PRESSURE BOTTLE WHAT HIM DON’T UNDERSTAND! MORON! IDIOT!
Please, kindly do me a favour and eff off, eh? Unless you’d like to describe to me, very specifically, how removing the tophat & stem is particularly dangerous. What, the delrin retainer is going to just suddenly up and disintegrate? That’d be the same retainer that gets a good whack from the stem every time the rifle is fired? Yeah, they made that part out of chalk. It gets more wear on it from the stem and spring in a month of firing than it does in a year of being removed and replaced.
But gee, we’ve got a *potential* safety issue here! Somebody ain’t slavishly following the manual (that was written with litigious cretins in mind anyway)! Time to git up orn the old high-horse and spout some self-righteous shite, good-ol’ boy style! Yee har! 😆
Like I said, spare me. For somebody with an IQ of 90.
Langa (Langanuisance – Classic !)… I don’t think its just this ONE post… its an accumulation of posts that you’ve made.
You seem relatively intelligent.. But your jumping in at the deep end and redesigning the wheel before you’ve even seen what the wheel looks like.
These guys are very intelligent AND very experienced with these rifles. I’ve said things that are incorrect in the past, and these guys are pretty quick to correct you – You’d do well to listen instead of dismissing them.
You’re making an assumption that I’m concerned with your safety. I don’t feel that what you’re doing is dangerous. It’s senseless, however. Why would you need to remove the valve stem and tophat to fill the tank? It all moves as one unit when you fill the tank. All you’re accomplishing, aside from wasted effort, is an exercise in re-measuring your tophat. Who wants to have to reset their tophat clearance after every tank fill?
I understand exactly how the valve works, I’ve had it in pieces in front of me. Damage the delrin retainer? Sure, if you spun the stem in the collar (the splines would tear it up pretty good). Removing and tapping it gently back in, please, spare me.
You tap it gently back in until you hear a little pop, that’s it fully seated.
OH NOES! DANGER! HIM PLAYING WITH HIGH PRESSURE BOTTLE WHAT HIM DON’T UNDERSTAND! MORON! IDIOT!
Please, kindly do me a favour and eff off, eh? Unless you’d like to describe to me, very specifically, how removing the tophat & stem is particularly dangerous. What, the delrin retainer is going to just suddenly up and disintegrate? That’d be the same retainer that gets a good whack from the stem every time the rifle is fired? Yeah, they made that part out of chalk. It gets more wear on it from the stem and spring in a month of firing than it does in a year of being removed and replaced.
But gee, we’ve got a *potential* safety issue here! Somebody ain’t slavishly following the manual (that was written with litigious cretins in mind anyway)! Time to git up orn the old high-horse and spout some self-righteous shite, good-ol’ boy style! Yee har! 😆
Like I said, spare me. For somebody with an IQ of 90.
Chad +1 😀
I have a European spec Condor, when I first got it I did not have a clue about Fuck all to do with it. The instructions from gunpower are not clear at all about the fill proceedure.
When I got the gun, the tank was empty, top hat removed. The first two times I attempted to fill it, I like Lugnussance, removed the top hat to fill it.
but I immeadiately got the feeling that some thing was not right, forcing a piece of metal into a valve that contains 3000psi seemed wrong to me,
I contacted gunpower, they told me never to do it again, that at best it will fcuk up the derilin retainer within the valve, at worst kill you.
I since have learned with the help of this site and its members how to SAFELY fully strip down my valve, change internal valve springs etc.
Anyone who recommends to another to remove top hat and stem with air in the tank is an IDIOT.
Lugnussance stop giving advice to others, unless its about some thing you know somthing.
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Eamo
I’m devastated.
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Us morons like to live life dangerously, right out on the ragged bleeding edge.