FrankEdstein Part 2 or Zocoloco & Why He’s Plum Loco!
Below is the thread I quoted from in its exact unedited format. Take a look at the wear and tear on a brand new Edgun R3M breech and mag, then you tell me that’s acceptable. I highly doubt it.
I’ve spent some time in my basement. Don’t know where to start really……
I have had some 50 pellets through now, – and these were my notes:
I started at around 195 bars and used my Crombo for the speed measurements. I noted the pressure after every ten shots, – an it appears my R3M cal.22 consumes some 12/13 bars per 10 shots. I write like a pig, but people with a goood imagination may be able to read the velocity numbers I hope…….. đł Out of the box between 925 and 900 fps with the vast majority around between 910/920.
I used the ms-function with proper indexing, and it never failed once ! It felt a little rough in the beginning, but after a few shots I forgot all about that. It didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shooting.
I never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifully……. :8:
Hawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shot:
This ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the next:
You should be able to see how the anodizing is being filed off on the rim of the mag.
There seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sides. Here is the other side of it:
However that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been there
No big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in period……. đ
However, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not all How to lubricate this part I don’t know yet. Aluminium on aluminium is not easy, and added to that is the risk of getting some lube into the pellet slots and further into the barrel. On that path there’s an O-ring in the forward breech that must be passed too. And O-rings don’t like anything but silicone grease………
I may want to try some silicone spray glider that dries like a thin film on whatever material. It’s designed to reduce the friction of rigging, zippers etc. on a sailboat and should probably do the trick here too……..
My gun is of the MK I type, – and the breech/mag system is already obsolete. As I understand it, the versions shipped to the US is of the MK II variant. I’ve never seen one of those but will soon. Apparently the mags and the indexing system may have been modified a little and for the better. The little nasty ballbearing that pushes the mag against the wall, has been moved inwards towards the center of the mag. That should mean less distance for the mag to rotate against it between shots. It should also mean that the cam that indexes the mag would need less power to do so as it gets a longer “arm” to work with…..
We’ll see…… đ
Oh, – I forgot to tell you how this little bastard shoots. Below is tonight’s session on “paper”. There are five 10 shot groups shot from a sandbag at a distance of 50 m (55yds). The groups should speak for themselves:
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo đ
Hello to all my friends and the ass kissers who wonât see this because they blocked meâŚ
Regarding Edgun R3M: http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28318&hilit=frankedstein
For those of you who are not aware of and to recap who exactly are the the Members of the ‘Ed Ass Kissing Club’ or as I like to term them, the self-absorbed, addicted, distracted and ignorant Edgun internet groupies consists of:
Ridetoeat, Coda, the Wing Nut NZ loser, The childish Krille from Sweden, Hoot, The goat screwer, Ed of course, Loco too, Synopsys, Knifemaker, and Iâll update this as I remember the others.
This post is not for the âEdgun Ass Kisser Clubâ members and thank heaven they won’t be responding because they can’t see this thread. I am merely wanting to advise and inform those of you who can think for yourselves and are open-minded enough to see when something is crap and you’re being screwed.
I know many of you have missed me and my accurate, right to the point and amusing posts but we had a very hectic Christmas as business was booming. We finally caught up around the middle of January. I also bought myself a new truck for a Christmas present so Iâve been entertained with that project. Airguns are cheap compared to what you can do to modify a truck today!
The weather is beautiful, 80 degrees this week, life is good, adventurous and fun and I do hope it is for you as well.
Before I get into the actual post, let me make this statement:
Imagine buying a new vehicle and finding out that the drivers door fits too tightly into the frame. Each time you open the door, the paint chips and the door is very hard to open. You then come to the revelation that you don’t need the door because you can enter the vehicle through the window. Now, would that be acceptable? Of course not but the ass-kissing club members, Loco in particular, would have you believe that this is acceptable when owning a $2000 Edgun. And then to add insult to injury, you make this issue aware to everyone and people tell you that it’s acceptable and quit complaining and just use the window to get into the vehicle. Sounds ridiculous, well read on…
I thought Iâd post a long overdue comment that ‘Zocoloco’ made or as I like to call him, just plain ‘Loco’ regarding his beloved Edgun in this thread:
OK, here we goâŚ.
Loco, youâre off your rocker! Do you have your head crammed so far up Edâs butt that you donât see how ridiculous you sound protecting his piece of crap gun!
First asinine statement and I quote:
âI never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. [b] I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ[/b]
Loco, the gun is designed to remove the mag not refill it each time you see 4 empty slots. If thatâs the case why buy a multi shot! The âmag is somewhat hard to pull outâ is the poor design of the breach and mag itself that you are defending. The thing was designed to fill the mag, load it into the gun, shoot till empty, remove, and replace; not fill after every 4 shots. Incredible statement.
Second asinine statement and I quote:
âHawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shotâ
Loco, âfiled downâ is a satisfactory appearance and function of this flawed model! I own other guns with similar mags and they donât look âfiled downâ. It a design flaw in a $2000 gun.
Third asinine statement and I quote:
âThis ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, [b]it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the nextâ[/b]
Loco, once again this is a design flaw. The gun was designed by an amateur looking to pop out another model to us unsuspecting buyers. Once again, this is a design flaw. I own many other guns with similar mags that operate smoothly without the difficulty this Edgun model presents. And you think that taking a “beating” is an acceptable operating procedure and acceptable design! You are plum loco.
Fourth asinine statement and I quote:
âThere seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sidesâ
Loco, this is an understatement! And you think âgrindingâ on a brand new gun is acceptable and a ingenious design? The gun is flawed as is the design.
Fifth asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been thereâ
Loco, so now there is a âburrâ on the inside of the breech that âmost likely shouldn’t have been thereâ. Incredible and you donât see anything wrong with that and accept it. Well, I donât! The gun is flawed and should have never been released to the general public until these issues had been resolved.
Sixth asinine statement and I quote:
âNo big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in periodâ
Loco, âNo big dealâ huh. Youâre a pinhead to accept mediocrity when paying $2000 for a gun.
Seventh asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not allâ
Loco, so some of it will go away âeventuallyâ as in when? A month, six months, six years? Is one supposed to suffer through that period with a $2000 gun? And, what is someone to do with the “friction” that does not “go away eventuallyâ as you stated? So we’re just supposed to accept it and pretend it isn’t there because of our love for Ed. You and the others can kiss his ass, I won’t.
Iâm done and want to wish all of you a great week ahead.
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Hi Machine Gun,
Glad to see another post from you.
May I ask a question? Are you this retarded in real life or does your retardism only come out when you sit behind a computer?
You don’t like the edgun, we get it.
Did you really have to personally insult people and write a 1000 word essay on why you are right and why everyone else is an arse licker just to get your point across?
Ed is a 1 man band. There is no way he is going to be able to provide the level of support or production that other larger companies can.
If you are buying from him expecting this then you are a fool. I’m not taking anything away from Ed, in my opinion his products are top class and I love mine.
He’s 10,000 miles away from america, he is a 1 man business trying to do customer support, production, R and D and promotion all on his own.
You are expecting the level of service you get from a big company based in america, it ain’t going to happen.
If that is what you value, don’t buy edguns.
Ed has orders to fill for the next 6 months, plenty of people love his work. If you don’t its really not a problem, go and buy a gun you do like. đ
Wheres my popcorn… oh wait found it! :popcorn:
This ladies and gentlemen is an example of PURE TROLLINGâŚ
How old is this post by Zoco? đ Two, three months old? đ
MG, while your criticisms have some merit (albeit a heavy bias against Edguns), you post the same thing over and over⌠At least pen some new material for crying out loud! If you don’t your Edgun bashing devotees/groupies will find another guru to follow. 
:angrymob:
Hi MG,
welcome back, nice to see you again đ
It’s not that I was missing the “good old times” but it’s good to have some unbiased opinions.
I think that most of us agreed concerning the problem you had, you just got the wrong wording.
Please keep it nice and easy and we will all enjoy to discuss some real problems over here.
ATB đ
I have reported my findings as they emerged…….
Would you kindly point me in the direction where I have stated that any of my findings were “acceptable”…..????
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo :biggrinn:
Loco, as a card carrying member of the Edclub, there is no need to reply to me since most of the other Edclub members have me blocked. You are not being true to your membership in the Edclub.
Are you playing with my head? Surely you jest.
While you never used the word âacceptableâ, I would find your following statements as being âacceptableâ:
âafter a few shots I forgot all about thatâ
âIt didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shootingâ
âI simply recharged after every four shotsâ
ârefreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull outâ
âthere’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ
I agree that it is not acceptable. My R3s are great guns but the first generation of a major change like true mechanical indexing of a magazine system is really more like a major redesign of an automobile with the R3Ms. Both normally have some problems and Edguns just don’t have the local support network. I decided to wait to see how your R3Ms did before I considered one. đ I think you should return those guns for your money as Ed suggested or get the latest R3Ms as replacements which I suspect have been improved.
Looks like quite a few of us bought new vehicles over the winter. :8:
Really! Tony said that! C’mon he really did? Tony said that none of the 22’s have the magazine slots but all the 25’s do? I find that amazing as I own a R3M in 25 and it does NOT have any mag slots so what would that make Tony? Does it sound strange that the only importer who sells hundreds of these things would not know what he is selling. Is my 25 the only one without mag slots? Just more drama to the confusing world of Edguns.
I was told this by tony not ed, either way doesn’t matter to me..I’ve got a .22 r3m on the way and with only 2mags I could care less.I’m just curious if anyone with a .22 does infact have the mag holders?
Hmm tony said the r3m in 22 he held aside for me does not have a mag holder and none do except the .25s. So i was wondering others input who have a newer .22. Like i said I don’t really mind but according to this guy it means I’m getting a “frank ed stein” gun? Lmao. Well I’m just going to hope it shoots decent out of the box n without problems and if not I’ll drop it off to ernest…thankfully I live near him so tunes and repairs will be a lot easier for me than most US owners. That was the main reason I stuck w an edgun and didnt switch to cricket from steve. Although I’ve been thinking about a .25 skeleton stock w a neil clauge TITANIUM shroud ldc combo and polishing the barrel silver. Would be sexy đ :4:
The mags will stay securely under the scope rail with or without the grooves.
I was told this by tony not ed, either way doesn’t matter to me..I’ve got a .22 r3m on the way and with only 2mags I could care less.I’m just curious if anyone with a .22 does infact have the mag holders?
Ok so I’ve heard all .22 r3ms don’t come with grooves for magazineholders….. ut the.25s do? Can nyonewityh a .22 or .25 or both confirm that? So tehcnicsllyit wouldn’t be a frank ed stein gun if its in.22?
I was told this by tony not ed, either way doesn’t matter to me..I’ve got a .22 r3m on the way and with only 2mags I could care less.I’m just curious if anyone with a .22 does infact have the mag holders?
Welcome back MG, :8:
Zonk
And that’s why I bought a cricket after my mistake. :butkick:
Damn makes me glad I bought a Cricket……. :rofl:
Zonk
Dear MG !
I have reported my findings as they emerged…….
Would you kindly point me in the direction where I have stated that any of my findings were “acceptable”…..????
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo :biggrinn:
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The problem with the Edgun as I see it, is that the cost is what you’d pay in the UK for the top of the range Daystate (which would include customer service)….
Bearing in mind, prices in the UK are through the roof compared to everywhere else in the World, including the US….
The cost of living in Russia is VERY low compared to everywhere else these airguns are sold, so why the fucking HUGE price?
If it’s a one man band, then there’s only one wage to pay, is there not?
If Kalibrgun can sell a similar bullpup (that doesn’t grind) for half the price of the Edgun, yet they have a factory full of staff to pay, then why the high cost of the Edgun? đ