FrankEdstein Part 2 or Zocoloco & Why He’s Plum Loco!
Below is the thread I quoted from in its exact unedited format. Take a look at the wear and tear on a brand new Edgun R3M breech and mag, then you tell me that’s acceptable. I highly doubt it.
I’ve spent some time in my basement. Don’t know where to start really……
I have had some 50 pellets through now, – and these were my notes:
I started at around 195 bars and used my Crombo for the speed measurements. I noted the pressure after every ten shots, – an it appears my R3M cal.22 consumes some 12/13 bars per 10 shots. I write like a pig, but people with a goood imagination may be able to read the velocity numbers I hope…….. đł Out of the box between 925 and 900 fps with the vast majority around between 910/920.
I used the ms-function with proper indexing, and it never failed once ! It felt a little rough in the beginning, but after a few shots I forgot all about that. It didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shooting.
I never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifully……. :8:
Hawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shot:
This ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the next:
You should be able to see how the anodizing is being filed off on the rim of the mag.
There seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sides. Here is the other side of it:
However that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been there
No big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in period……. đ
However, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not all How to lubricate this part I don’t know yet. Aluminium on aluminium is not easy, and added to that is the risk of getting some lube into the pellet slots and further into the barrel. On that path there’s an O-ring in the forward breech that must be passed too. And O-rings don’t like anything but silicone grease………
I may want to try some silicone spray glider that dries like a thin film on whatever material. It’s designed to reduce the friction of rigging, zippers etc. on a sailboat and should probably do the trick here too……..
My gun is of the MK I type, – and the breech/mag system is already obsolete. As I understand it, the versions shipped to the US is of the MK II variant. I’ve never seen one of those but will soon. Apparently the mags and the indexing system may have been modified a little and for the better. The little nasty ballbearing that pushes the mag against the wall, has been moved inwards towards the center of the mag. That should mean less distance for the mag to rotate against it between shots. It should also mean that the cam that indexes the mag would need less power to do so as it gets a longer “arm” to work with…..
We’ll see…… đ
Oh, – I forgot to tell you how this little bastard shoots. Below is tonight’s session on “paper”. There are five 10 shot groups shot from a sandbag at a distance of 50 m (55yds). The groups should speak for themselves:
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo đ
Hello to all my friends and the ass kissers who wonât see this because they blocked meâŚ
Regarding Edgun R3M: http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28318&hilit=frankedstein
For those of you who are not aware of and to recap who exactly are the the Members of the ‘Ed Ass Kissing Club’ or as I like to term them, the self-absorbed, addicted, distracted and ignorant Edgun internet groupies consists of:
Ridetoeat, Coda, the Wing Nut NZ loser, The childish Krille from Sweden, Hoot, The goat screwer, Ed of course, Loco too, Synopsys, Knifemaker, and Iâll update this as I remember the others.
This post is not for the âEdgun Ass Kisser Clubâ members and thank heaven they won’t be responding because they can’t see this thread. I am merely wanting to advise and inform those of you who can think for yourselves and are open-minded enough to see when something is crap and you’re being screwed.
I know many of you have missed me and my accurate, right to the point and amusing posts but we had a very hectic Christmas as business was booming. We finally caught up around the middle of January. I also bought myself a new truck for a Christmas present so Iâve been entertained with that project. Airguns are cheap compared to what you can do to modify a truck today!
The weather is beautiful, 80 degrees this week, life is good, adventurous and fun and I do hope it is for you as well.
Before I get into the actual post, let me make this statement:
Imagine buying a new vehicle and finding out that the drivers door fits too tightly into the frame. Each time you open the door, the paint chips and the door is very hard to open. You then come to the revelation that you don’t need the door because you can enter the vehicle through the window. Now, would that be acceptable? Of course not but the ass-kissing club members, Loco in particular, would have you believe that this is acceptable when owning a $2000 Edgun. And then to add insult to injury, you make this issue aware to everyone and people tell you that it’s acceptable and quit complaining and just use the window to get into the vehicle. Sounds ridiculous, well read on…
I thought Iâd post a long overdue comment that ‘Zocoloco’ made or as I like to call him, just plain ‘Loco’ regarding his beloved Edgun in this thread:
OK, here we goâŚ.
Loco, youâre off your rocker! Do you have your head crammed so far up Edâs butt that you donât see how ridiculous you sound protecting his piece of crap gun!
First asinine statement and I quote:
âI never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. [b] I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ[/b]
Loco, the gun is designed to remove the mag not refill it each time you see 4 empty slots. If thatâs the case why buy a multi shot! The âmag is somewhat hard to pull outâ is the poor design of the breach and mag itself that you are defending. The thing was designed to fill the mag, load it into the gun, shoot till empty, remove, and replace; not fill after every 4 shots. Incredible statement.
Second asinine statement and I quote:
âHawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shotâ
Loco, âfiled downâ is a satisfactory appearance and function of this flawed model! I own other guns with similar mags and they donât look âfiled downâ. It a design flaw in a $2000 gun.
Third asinine statement and I quote:
âThis ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, [b]it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the nextâ[/b]
Loco, once again this is a design flaw. The gun was designed by an amateur looking to pop out another model to us unsuspecting buyers. Once again, this is a design flaw. I own many other guns with similar mags that operate smoothly without the difficulty this Edgun model presents. And you think that taking a “beating” is an acceptable operating procedure and acceptable design! You are plum loco.
Fourth asinine statement and I quote:
âThere seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sidesâ
Loco, this is an understatement! And you think âgrindingâ on a brand new gun is acceptable and a ingenious design? The gun is flawed as is the design.
Fifth asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been thereâ
Loco, so now there is a âburrâ on the inside of the breech that âmost likely shouldn’t have been thereâ. Incredible and you donât see anything wrong with that and accept it. Well, I donât! The gun is flawed and should have never been released to the general public until these issues had been resolved.
Sixth asinine statement and I quote:
âNo big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in periodâ
Loco, âNo big dealâ huh. Youâre a pinhead to accept mediocrity when paying $2000 for a gun.
Seventh asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not allâ
Loco, so some of it will go away âeventuallyâ as in when? A month, six months, six years? Is one supposed to suffer through that period with a $2000 gun? And, what is someone to do with the “friction” that does not “go away eventuallyâ as you stated? So we’re just supposed to accept it and pretend it isn’t there because of our love for Ed. You and the others can kiss his ass, I won’t.
Iâm done and want to wish all of you a great week ahead.
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We have had to listen to the infinite minutiae and now we are suppossed to go away because you’ve reached this closed door resolution.
Let’s see…..You can have your money back in full including shipping etc… if you shut your piehole and don’t disclose the details because if you do all the other unhappy souls will want their money back also???
Let’s hear it…….
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As of 02/28/2014 this issue has been resolved.
Tony and I ask that no one reply so that this post can remain as the final outcome to this thread and end this issue once and for all. I know many of you will be overjoyed and would like to reply but please refrain from doing so. Further posts will dilute the outcome for future readers so let is rest here.
Thank you for your cooperation.
I have been swamped but I am going to get it worked on đ
You are a god among mere mortals!
Hoot:
Hoot,
I have been swamped but I am going to get it worked on đ
Gawd, I love puzzling you mutts!
Why thank you WoK! I knew you, of all the forum members, would be able to read between the lines of my missive.
I literally wept when I watched that video. Little know factoid…Brittany owns an Edgun Standard .177 R2.0 with a crack in the black paint finish used at that time. As Ed famously responded at that time: “Guys, wood is wood!”. Remember? How can you argue that point? You can’t. The man’s a genius. I sent Brittany a can of black, semi-gloss Krylon from Walmart, and that part of her life’s problems was attended to. She never so much as gave me an email of thanks.
On a personal note, WoK…did you ever decide whether you are man enough to do the custom trigger gripper wide-ner thingee I sent you pictures, and asked you about earlier? I could use two…if the price is right. That Feather trigger is like pulling on a razor blade!
Pippo…you are one strange dude! Don’t despair. We will work with you until you get up to speed.
John…all I can offer by way of explanation is what Pablouk once told me in Bangkok back in 1990…”Shit ain’t always what it seems, is it?” Pabs invented the edible meat shroud for MI-5 back in the day. 98% reduction in sound, fire and eat. No evidence left except a pile of human feces near a dead body. Thus his remark to me. Worked well until an agent tried to use a pickled herring Hero, got some bad ingredients and the whole mission went sour, very sour indeed. A LOT of people left town in a hurry, that much was for damn certain!!! But, that’s a tale for another time! Ask Pabs about that experience. He may talk, he may not. Just the way he rolls.
By the way, Wingsman, is that you offering the P12, upgraded and customized, for $650 (are those U.S. dollars, or Kiwi Quibletts?) Nice piece of kit for the money, and properly priced. The selection of options is excellent! If it was you…well done, well done indeed! If it wasn’t you, then kindly ignore these remarks. Furthermore, the guy trying to sell that cheap shit can go fuck himself! And, that goes for his dog as well!
Kindest regards to all…
Nice ‘Ol Uncle H đŻ đŻ t
“With malice towards all, forgiveness towards none…I never once told a lie that wasn’t the truth!”
English as a second language, plus limited vocabularies. You guys confused the crap out me me!!!
Can someone explain what is going on? In plain English. Please.
John
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That was awesome….. Hoot:
I like this version as well
What have you ass munchers done with your lives lately?
Ed built a one man international shop. He has no extensive staff to deal with problems, so he does what he can, but what no man can do is make everyone happy.
This is HIS company, run HIS way, and it produces a product that appeals to a lot of customers. He’s not begging you, or anyone else, to buy it.
If you don’t like his way of doing business, then buy a “Bug”, a Wingman Customized “P12”, or a Fredrick “Beluga”, and be done with it.
Honestly, some shooters will never be satisfied unless they have a means of chewing on someone’s ass when something goes wrong.
News Flash geniuses….something ALWAYS goes wrong! That’s life in a nutshell, and it eventually applies to absolutely everything we do or try.
So choose carefully when you buy! Edgun is an expensive, product. The gun is made to be self maintained! Fix it yourself, or simply ask forum members for help!
No one’s ever been denied a helping hand on this forum!!!
Kindest regards,
Uncle Hoot:
PS: I’d invite all the whiners to kiss my ass…but I won’t. I’ve got more respect for my ass than that!
SO!!!
What have you ass munchers done with your lives lately?
Ed built a one man international shop. He has no extensive staff to deal with problems, so he does what he can, but what no man can do is make everyone happy.
This is HIS company, run HIS way, and it produces a product that appeals to a lot of customers. He’s not begging you, or anyone else, to buy it.
If you don’t like his way of doing business, then buy a “Bug”, a Wingman Customized “P12”, or a Fredrick “Beluga”, and be done with it.
Honestly, some shooters will never be satisfied unless they have a means of chewing on someone’s ass when something goes wrong.
News Flash geniuses….something ALWAYS goes wrong! That’s life in a nutshell, and it eventually applies to absolutely everything we do or try.
So choose carefully when you buy! Edgun is an expensive, product. The gun is made to be self maintained! Fix it yourself, or simply ask forum members for help!
No one’s ever been denied a helping hand on this forum!!!
Kindest regards,
Uncle Hoot:
PS: I’d invite all the whiners to kiss my ass…but I won’t. I’ve got more respect for my ass than that!
Recall ? Sure …
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2. This POS iPhone sucks though …
Oh no here comes the rush. :popcorn:
So there is a recall? :hoot:
Just like a new design year in a car. Ed also adjusted his normal warranty and offered a refund.
Then why does the customer pay 100% then?
Hi MG,
happy to hear you gentlemen could sort it out …..
It’s your thread and so I respect your decision (actually sorry for this last post) but some explanation would be good, I mean good for you.
ATB
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I think this is very……well, I don’t even know what to call it :confusedn:
You raised Hell, called people Names and rambled on for months and months and now you want everyone to become suddenly silent on the matter ?
đ đ đ đ đ đ đ đ sometimes you gotta stay true, just because you got a settlement your opinion shouldn’t change and you certanly shouldn’t ask every one else to drop it either.