FrankEdstein Part 2 or Zocoloco & Why He’s Plum Loco!
Below is the thread I quoted from in its exact unedited format. Take a look at the wear and tear on a brand new Edgun R3M breech and mag, then you tell me that’s acceptable. I highly doubt it.
I’ve spent some time in my basement. Don’t know where to start really……
I have had some 50 pellets through now, – and these were my notes:
I started at around 195 bars and used my Crombo for the speed measurements. I noted the pressure after every ten shots, – an it appears my R3M cal.22 consumes some 12/13 bars per 10 shots. I write like a pig, but people with a goood imagination may be able to read the velocity numbers I hope…….. đł Out of the box between 925 and 900 fps with the vast majority around between 910/920.
I used the ms-function with proper indexing, and it never failed once ! It felt a little rough in the beginning, but after a few shots I forgot all about that. It didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shooting.
I never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifully……. :8:
Hawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shot:
This ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the next:
You should be able to see how the anodizing is being filed off on the rim of the mag.
There seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sides. Here is the other side of it:
However that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been there
No big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in period……. đ
However, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not all How to lubricate this part I don’t know yet. Aluminium on aluminium is not easy, and added to that is the risk of getting some lube into the pellet slots and further into the barrel. On that path there’s an O-ring in the forward breech that must be passed too. And O-rings don’t like anything but silicone grease………
I may want to try some silicone spray glider that dries like a thin film on whatever material. It’s designed to reduce the friction of rigging, zippers etc. on a sailboat and should probably do the trick here too……..
My gun is of the MK I type, – and the breech/mag system is already obsolete. As I understand it, the versions shipped to the US is of the MK II variant. I’ve never seen one of those but will soon. Apparently the mags and the indexing system may have been modified a little and for the better. The little nasty ballbearing that pushes the mag against the wall, has been moved inwards towards the center of the mag. That should mean less distance for the mag to rotate against it between shots. It should also mean that the cam that indexes the mag would need less power to do so as it gets a longer “arm” to work with…..
We’ll see…… đ
Oh, – I forgot to tell you how this little bastard shoots. Below is tonight’s session on “paper”. There are five 10 shot groups shot from a sandbag at a distance of 50 m (55yds). The groups should speak for themselves:
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo đ
Hello to all my friends and the ass kissers who wonât see this because they blocked meâŚ
Regarding Edgun R3M: http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28318&hilit=frankedstein
For those of you who are not aware of and to recap who exactly are the the Members of the ‘Ed Ass Kissing Club’ or as I like to term them, the self-absorbed, addicted, distracted and ignorant Edgun internet groupies consists of:
Ridetoeat, Coda, the Wing Nut NZ loser, The childish Krille from Sweden, Hoot, The goat screwer, Ed of course, Loco too, Synopsys, Knifemaker, and Iâll update this as I remember the others.
This post is not for the âEdgun Ass Kisser Clubâ members and thank heaven they won’t be responding because they can’t see this thread. I am merely wanting to advise and inform those of you who can think for yourselves and are open-minded enough to see when something is crap and you’re being screwed.
I know many of you have missed me and my accurate, right to the point and amusing posts but we had a very hectic Christmas as business was booming. We finally caught up around the middle of January. I also bought myself a new truck for a Christmas present so Iâve been entertained with that project. Airguns are cheap compared to what you can do to modify a truck today!
The weather is beautiful, 80 degrees this week, life is good, adventurous and fun and I do hope it is for you as well.
Before I get into the actual post, let me make this statement:
Imagine buying a new vehicle and finding out that the drivers door fits too tightly into the frame. Each time you open the door, the paint chips and the door is very hard to open. You then come to the revelation that you don’t need the door because you can enter the vehicle through the window. Now, would that be acceptable? Of course not but the ass-kissing club members, Loco in particular, would have you believe that this is acceptable when owning a $2000 Edgun. And then to add insult to injury, you make this issue aware to everyone and people tell you that it’s acceptable and quit complaining and just use the window to get into the vehicle. Sounds ridiculous, well read on…
I thought Iâd post a long overdue comment that ‘Zocoloco’ made or as I like to call him, just plain ‘Loco’ regarding his beloved Edgun in this thread:
OK, here we goâŚ.
Loco, youâre off your rocker! Do you have your head crammed so far up Edâs butt that you donât see how ridiculous you sound protecting his piece of crap gun!
First asinine statement and I quote:
âI never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. [b] I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ[/b]
Loco, the gun is designed to remove the mag not refill it each time you see 4 empty slots. If thatâs the case why buy a multi shot! The âmag is somewhat hard to pull outâ is the poor design of the breach and mag itself that you are defending. The thing was designed to fill the mag, load it into the gun, shoot till empty, remove, and replace; not fill after every 4 shots. Incredible statement.
Second asinine statement and I quote:
âHawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shotâ
Loco, âfiled downâ is a satisfactory appearance and function of this flawed model! I own other guns with similar mags and they donât look âfiled downâ. It a design flaw in a $2000 gun.
Third asinine statement and I quote:
âThis ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, [b]it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the nextâ[/b]
Loco, once again this is a design flaw. The gun was designed by an amateur looking to pop out another model to us unsuspecting buyers. Once again, this is a design flaw. I own many other guns with similar mags that operate smoothly without the difficulty this Edgun model presents. And you think that taking a “beating” is an acceptable operating procedure and acceptable design! You are plum loco.
Fourth asinine statement and I quote:
âThere seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sidesâ
Loco, this is an understatement! And you think âgrindingâ on a brand new gun is acceptable and a ingenious design? The gun is flawed as is the design.
Fifth asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been thereâ
Loco, so now there is a âburrâ on the inside of the breech that âmost likely shouldn’t have been thereâ. Incredible and you donât see anything wrong with that and accept it. Well, I donât! The gun is flawed and should have never been released to the general public until these issues had been resolved.
Sixth asinine statement and I quote:
âNo big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in periodâ
Loco, âNo big dealâ huh. Youâre a pinhead to accept mediocrity when paying $2000 for a gun.
Seventh asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not allâ
Loco, so some of it will go away âeventuallyâ as in when? A month, six months, six years? Is one supposed to suffer through that period with a $2000 gun? And, what is someone to do with the “friction” that does not “go away eventuallyâ as you stated? So we’re just supposed to accept it and pretend it isn’t there because of our love for Ed. You and the others can kiss his ass, I won’t.
Iâm done and want to wish all of you a great week ahead.
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:dito:
Are there any cases you’d recommend?
Yep! I´ll fix you a link. Luckily the Shop is in UK so no need to import. It´s a shame these don´t come with bags as delivered.
To the clueless individuals who are trolling; there are two of you. I have every right to bring up this thread or whatever thread I deem appropriate. If you took the time to read what was written you wouldn’t look like the fools that you are making accusations that are baseless and make you appear less than intelligent. Do yourself and us a favor and move on.
If anyone needs a doctor it is you gentlemen because you’re both in denial or just plain ignorant as you cannot see a real problem that does exist. You do not have the capacity to acknowledge it much less discuss it appropriately. I guess you’re both Edclub members. Now that we’ve established that point, block me as did the other 6 Edclub members.
This is about a ridiculous, one-sided, slanted review by an Edclub member (Loco) that wasn’t appropriate or accurate with regard to the real problems and short-comings of the R3M. I wasn’t available when Loco wrote his diatribe but I am now. It may not be timely but it is surely relevant and relevancy is what this topic is about. The R3M Edgun is a FrankEdstein, like it or not. The gun is flawed and should have never been released as is. Those of us who don’t have our head where the sun doesn’t shine would like to discuss this and anything else that is pertinent without your drivel. We do not want anyone else to experience what I had to experience with a flawed gun. The gun should not have been sold. The $2k to me is nothing but to others it can be and no one should be stuck with a piece of crap from a man who is less than ethical and thinks we’re all stupid. His lack of support and customer non-service have been well documented on here even by Edclub members. The handwriting is on the wall gentlemen.
If you don’t like this topic, go join your brother Edclub members who all cherish their Edguns and kiss the ground Ed walks upon. You can all talk about how wonderful your R3M Edguns are as you fondle them with love and all their flaws. Go away, we implore you.
Not so sure about that……
It appears several people have more than one Edgun (me included). There must be a reason for that. Don’t you think…??? If people felt they wasted their money, – why would they go ahead and order another one of Ed’s produce ?
I don’t think they would have done that unless financial “hara-kiri” was among their favorite interests. I know personally very few in that league to be honest……… đ
I think the picture is more nuanced than what you proclame……
As it happens I own two Crickets as well. I have done my best to share with you my findings in my comparison thread (http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=23876), – and I don’t think you’ll find me biased towards one as opposed to the other. Now that thread is old and models have changed, – but don’t tell me I didn’t beat up the Matador whenever I felt appropriate……
I’m still not able to choose one though, Cricket or R3/R3M, if I had to….. đł đł đł
But then I don’t need to worry about that, – I have both. And I’ll keep on comparing and report my findings, – regardless of maker/model. What I share is my personal opinion only, – and others may think differently…….. đ
AND I prefer to speak about products. Name calling is “unknown territory” to me, – and I am quite happy with that……….
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo :biggrinn:
:dito:
Are there any cases you’d recommend?
I get that, but isn’t that what the OP is about? People covering up for the shite they have purchased?
I announced on here that I bought the FX Bobcat (1st edition), and EVERYONE jumped down my throat, because I’d bought an FX Bobcat, you know, the Extreme Benchrest Winner, and not an Edgun? From what I remember, a member of this forum, who joined in slating FX and backing Edgun, owned 2 of them, and has since sold them….
I have seen nothing but issues on this forum since everyone ganged up on me…
The truth is, people fork out the HUGE price for these guns, and are too proud to admit that they have wasted their money đ
Now, I don’t care what people have to say…
Defend all you like…
I can read these forums regardless đ
FYI – I didn´t own any of them EdGun´s anymore at that point (i think you refer to me on this one) and i didn´t back one up either. What i said – and still say – the Bobcat is butt ugly.
The whole fight back then was about the looks of the BC and i still feel the same about that subject. I also think , still do , that the EG looks the best of them all. What i think of the rest of the EG and the “organization” around it can be read in many topics on this Forum.
All that has let to how it is today – i now own a Cricket and have another on order.
And NO I don’t own an Ed Gun.
Guy’s, some of your are missing what is happening here. Yes, Some ED Guns have problems. Yes they are expensive. Too Damed expensive! But so are a LOT of things. But this isn’t really what this thread is all about. It’s about a sickness. đ
MG has been a member here for a long time. And was for a while, a seamingly normal person. However, he has pretty much slid off his cracker.
Why, because he sees a problem and says so? Hell no. A lot of us here on the Tag already do this. It one of the things that sets the TAG apart from other AG forums where you are not allowed to speak your mind on a product. (Anyone ever heard of the Yellow?)
This topic has been hashed to death. MG has already beat this horse to death. Over and Over again. He disapears, and re-apears and digs up and old and settled thread, and starts it all over again. With more anger, and venom than ever. He is simply never finish running down other menmers or a product that he himself does not care for.
A normal person does NOT comb thru old post looking for things to start arguments over, or trash other members with. The Boy has a serrious problem.
These Troll tatics are getting damed old!
MG leave people the hell alone. Get a life and let others live theirs the way they see fit!
It’s none of your damned buisness.
Buy new clips? People would buy spare mags if they were available but so far their not.
“Keep throwing money of the AF guns”
Is that like the swimmer who made it half-way across the English channel and decided that he couldn’t make it and swam back. :biggrinn:
Edguns are very cool, little guns, I personally cannot get one cause of the price tag, but I can keep throwing my money on the Airforce airgun, go fiqure, I heard nothing but good reveiws on the Edgun, but I always wanted a Revolution, if I were going high dollar. Why get all jumpy cause something is wearing out, just buy some extra clips. Or throw some super silicone on it.
Profound. :popcorn:
“The truth is, people fork out the HUGE price for these guns, and are too proud to admit that they have wasted their money đ
Now, I don’t care what people have to say…
Defend all you like…
I can read these forums regardless :wink:”
:dito:
Bingo.. And When the truth hurts they block the man who’s trying to open their eyes…but remember it takes a lot to be a leader and have a free mind….not so for the followers.
The problem with the Edgun as I see it, is that the cost is what you’d pay in the UK for the top of the range Daystate (which would include customer service)….
Bearing in mind, prices in the UK are through the roof compared to everywhere else in the World, including the US….
The cost of living in Russia is VERY low compared to everywhere else these airguns are sold, so why the fucking HUGE price?
If it’s a one man band, then there’s only one wage to pay, is there not?
If Kalibrgun can sell a similar bullpup (that doesn’t grind) for half the price of the Edgun, yet they have a factory full of staff to pay, then why the high cost of the Edgun? đ
You as the consumer have the right to spend your money on what you like.
If you feel the prices are too high and there is a equal product for half the price, buy the cheaper version.
If Ed’s sales hurt, watch the price fall.
Simple economics.
No shit Sherlock :biggrinn:
I get that, but isn’t that what the OP is about? People covering up for the shite they have purchased?
I announced on here that I bought the FX Bobcat (1st edition), and EVERYONE jumped down my throat, because I’d bought an FX Bobcat, you know, the Extreme Benchrest Winner, and not an Edgun? From what I remember, a member of this forum, who joined in slating FX and backing Edgun, owned 2 of them, and has since sold them….
I have seen nothing but issues on this forum since everyone ganged up on me…
The truth is, people fork out the HUGE price for these guns, and are too proud to admit that they have wasted their money đ
Now, I don’t care what people have to say…
Defend all you like…
I can read these forums regardless đ
The problem with the Edgun as I see it, is that the cost is what you’d pay in the UK for the top of the range Daystate (which would include customer service)….
Bearing in mind, prices in the UK are through the roof compared to everywhere else in the World, including the US….
The cost of living in Russia is VERY low compared to everywhere else these airguns are sold, so why the fucking HUGE price?
If it’s a one man band, then there’s only one wage to pay, is there not?
If Kalibrgun can sell a similar bullpup (that doesn’t grind) for half the price of the Edgun, yet they have a factory full of staff to pay, then why the high cost of the Edgun? đ
You as the consumer have the right to spend your money on what you like.
If you feel the prices are too high and there is a equal product for half the price, buy the cheaper version.
If Ed’s sales hurt, watch the price fall.
Simple economics.
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Hello MG…I don’t believe you and I have ever been acquainted on here. I have read your post a few times in hopes of getting to the underlying point of it. From what I detect is you feel that your opinions weren’t heard loud enough.
I ask myself “What if all his opinions and feelings regarding his experience were accepted without prejudice?”. Say for example all the members that you’ve labeled “EdClub” (I personally think “Club Ed” would have been much cooler…you know kinda like “Club Med”? pun intended) empathized with you and didn’t respond in defense of their Edguns?
What’s the end game? What would you like to see happen? From what I understand is you were offered a refund?
I congratulate you on your new truck…what make/model? I also hope your business continues to thrive….it’s good to hear! What is your business if you don’t mind me asking?