has anyone seen the new hybrid slug?
I watched a video from Airgun-101 which featured the slug. It’s a hollow-point with said BC of 0.08. Lots of shooting in the video. bit expensive at $15.00 per 100 slugs. I don’t think I should post a link here, so I’ll simply say it’s good to see this new twist for the community. I wonder if my Short can handle it.
darryl
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I be retired also. Darryl I’ve got a mutant short .22 barrel I’d part with. Here’s a pix of the hpbt slugs I’m casting the mold says their supposed to be .217 out of the mold. But in reality they’re .219 according to my calipers.
One on the right has been sized to .215
I gladly add fuel to this fire with some replies I got. First, a reply from H&N on Facebook. Firstmy quesyion, then the reply
“Darryl Thomas
More questions, if I may? Regarding shooting these slugs through a “standard” pellet rifle barrel, what advice for power level (fpe) and barrel twist rate for accuracy? Tight choke or loose choke? Most pellet barrels have a 1-in-16 or 1-in-17 twist rate, iirc. Is this going to be too slow for your slug? Or is your slug optimized for those twist rates? Also, does your testing results recommend a minimum barrel length? thank you”
“H&N Sport
The questions are very difficult to answer because preferences are barely recognizable. Examples: The slugs achieve comparably good results from barrels as different as the FX slugliner and the normal Weihrauch barrels. Or when comparing the Vulcan to the Cricket (both with CZ barrels), the Vulcan shows a clear preference for .217 and light slugs while the Cricket shows no preference. On top of that, we do not have all the information from the weapon makers, especially regarding the chokes and the different designs of the rifling (for example the depth of the grooves).”
Next, I had emailed Nick Nielsen after watching the video (link I posted in this thread),and seeing his machinery. I asked him if he was interested i making slug barrels. Seems he’s doing some early work now, coincidentally, but states he’s along way off. In my reply to him I included a link to this thread. If he only looks, but does not respond, that’s still a win in my book.
iride, good to see your input. Find them pellets, please! 🙂 Also, what .177 gun are you using? I would like to see your test results for 50 yards or less regarding wind doping with pellets vs slugs. I’ve read that slugs stabilize a bit more outside that range, which is why they seem to be preferred for long range shooting. But honestly, I’m a plinker with limited distance at my disposal. Still, slugs are very interesting, including the setup needed to shoot them accurately. I hope I don’t need to swap barrels, but if I do, well…
rowdy,I’m retired too, but thankfully it’s a busy-enough life for me. Always stuff to do, as the wife is retired too. 🙁 Nice to know you’re a gearhead, and interested in airguns too. I hope you find that regulator testor. I thought I recalled DMan as a source? Maybe someone else could steer you. .. I’m trying to recall if I had asked Petr to reduce the regulator on my Short becaues I am an urban shooter, and lower fps is preferred. Still, I’ve cranked my sample up past 900 fps using 18 grain Air Arms pellets. Forgive me if I encourage you to keep on keepin’ on.
All, I found H&N’s reply to be very interesting. it seems some of our guns may not need further development for slugs. It would be great to input test results to Nielsen. I can say he replies to emails so far.
Also, can anyone recommend a source for a spare gen-1 barrel for my Mutant Short?.
thanks all for replying,
darryl
Guy,
Man some text on here yesterday, that is awesome.
I never check the much, as there is not so much going on as I would like, as it use to be.
Darryl, no not at work, I am retired and on my smart phone. That in itself is a problem, the key board is so small, I fat finger the keys constantly.
I will be watching the site a little more in case more going on here as yesterday!
I am kind of wanting to see some real hands on member here with the Royal Thunder in the 22 caliber. I been fearing that may never happen with so few posting now days.
This thread sure lit up though and that is good.
I am a gearhead and build and repair everything. Including guns. Powderburners as well as air Rifles.
Now that I am retired I will be doing more of this in the future. One thing I must get me is a reg tester, so as to be able to test and or adjuster. I have wanted one for awhile.
I have a suspension that Mikes rifle may have the reg lower than the norm for most.
More often than not, the rifle with Diablo design pellets shoot really great down to 575 fps up to 950.
Below or above that you have to pick and choose, developing the rifle for that fps speed your wanting.
Then to try a different pellet altogether I will start by cleaning the bore and then lube, push one of the new, slugs in this case to get a look at the profile of riflings cut in the slug.
You may need to acquire a specific barrel for those, worse case, if really wanting to shoot those slugs. You might not though, I like the softer lead pellets for many reasons, one being the better profile cut into the pellets from the rifling.
Its going to be most interesting to see how the slugs work here. Look forward to reading all that here. Use to be so much of all this sort of stuff on this site.
Its how I found out about the Tiapian and their trigger, very reason I want one in the 22 Long. Considering the Royal Thunder, since Tony has those right now, just not much info on them 🙂
The trigger is my biggest complaint on most air Rifles and some powderburners.
I need to see if I can get back to sleep right now. You guys woke me up to early 🙂
Later on this morning, one of you guys have to make the coffee now, I am going to need it 🙂 after this rant… When,if I wake up later.
My Listone barrel is not supposed to be chocked , That’s what I was told , Never tested it.
My Mutant was the gun on the old video that was shown on the TAG site by Brian, (I think)
When I bought the gun I did not know this,
Mike
Hay guys
I am watching the slug as it is in development , 90 % of all my kill shots in 177, 22, and 25 are in 50 yard range,
So I am not super quick to jump on the slug wagon,I did buy a few 19 gr 22 caliber NSA slugs never opened the box, Also some 177 NSA slugs never opened the box and cant find them right now, I seen the H&N slugs in stock in PA, But I have had four tins of 25 caliber Hades ordered since OCT, I hate to confuse the guys at PA, Christmas time is crazy anyway,I also know the BC on the Hades really sucks, But I have been impressed with the killing power of the 15.89 gr 22 Hades, I will put them right up there with the polymag POP. Not tested past 50 yards yet.Sparrows, Euro doves, Feral Pigeons, And one cat that was eye balling my Racing Homers,
If I can get the power up on my Mutant 22 the Linstone (sp) barrel shoots anything good, The CZ barrel is picky.
Mike How is that for rambling, LOL.
hi miksatx,
I own one of the famous Petr mystery barrels. Actually it’s a barrel made in the Czech Republic,maker name unknown. Petr worked with it before his troubles. He told me the barrel was made in the same fashion as the Lothar Walther barrels; button-rifling. It’s a shooter, but as yours, the choke is very tight. I’ve polished it, but the results aren’t conclusive. I’m considering an unchoked barrel for it, but only at the early stages of that learning process. Please keep me in mind. I believe I’ll soon own a bunch pf pellets that I can’t shoot. i’ll find out in a few days.
darryl
darryl what barrel is on your mutant? CZ or Listone. My mutant .22 standard has the cz and it’s choke is .215. .217 slugs are pretty dang tight and really really tight pushing them past the choke by hand. I can chamber .217 and shoot them but accuracy isn’t worth a damn. I plan on shooting my own cast pellets and slugs but am having LW polygon no choke barrel machined for my standard. Sizing all my cast stuff to .215.
OK, I was just looking around You Tube for car videos and reviews of virtual reality headsets. I stumbled upon this video about about Nielsen Specialty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2doL1zguuY
https://nielsenspecialtyammo.com/collections/22-caliber/products/17-5-grain-375-count-22-cal-slug-nsa I just ordered one container of these from Nielson. At 17.5 grains they’re a bit lighter than the AA Heavy pellet I shoot in my Short. At $18.00/400ct they are a bit more expensive than the AAs too ($9.99/250ct).I hope to get better distance and accuracy while being able to crank up the power for more effectiveness in accuracy,and trajectory?
darryl
OK now I’m done.
btw shipping was flat rate $7.00. Slug size is .2175
No, I’m not spamming my own thread. 🙂 But Steve from Airgun Exploration and Advancement Channel just replied yes to my request that he include these H&N slugs in his airgun tests going forward. Quoting him, “Im going to start including them in the process so they’ll get a look in all the guns that come through for review.”
OK time to get back on my meds (OCD here) 😀
more info on the H&N slug: From Airgun Nation:
November 21, 2019 at 11:59 amLINK
(member’s name removed by me, Darryl, subject text is inside the quotation marks)
“Member
HI Guys
This is my first post, but felt I had something worth adding.
Think this may have ran off topic as most of us know the pile drivers and grizzlies were too large and too hard to work in normal airguns. To be fair to H&N, the new slugs are very different and have had extensive testing at the factory and are soft lead. We have them shooting one tinny hole at 30 yards (H&N 21g .22 924fps) as we did with the new (Prohunter 22.8g .22 908fps). Have not tested the H&N at longer distance, but they are the same accuracy at 30y and the Prohunters managed a 12mm 5 shot group at 100yards on a very still day last weekend. Rifle is a Daystate MK1 Harrier with LR90 barrel that has a 1/20″ twist, and lane reg set at 140bar.
When we have another good day will try and get a group on film at 100y.”
I watched a video from Airgun Exploration and Advancement Channel wherein the H&N factory was toured. Relating to the new slugs, I got these points:
1)slugs tested at 100m
2)H&N worked with airguns specific to slug use (a picture of an FX Impact was shown)
3) any airgun shooting above 20 fpe will shoot the slugs. Any lower and the slug might get caught in the barrel. Higher velocities mean better groups.
A link the the H&N sampler at PA (shows the .217/5.51mm sampler, but the .218/5.53 sampler is also available): https://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/H_N_Slug_HP_Sampler_217_Cal_5_Types/1554
and this informative article:https://hardairmagazine.com/news/airgun-slugs-the-ammunition-of-the-future/
Darryl
I’m retired, which gives me time to think (except when it comes to impulse buys!) I’ve been trying to figure out if I jumped the gun on ordering the .217 slug (5.51mm) instead of the 0.218 slug (5.53mm). So I went searching. This video helps me to understand what it takes to shoot slugs accurately. It’s broken down in to addressed questions if you select the “show more” below the channel author’s name for the drop-down menu. I hope you find it useful too The Ultimate guide to FX slug liners
Darryl
PS what I think I understand is that the slug does not favor a deep bite from the rifling. Nor does it like the slower twist rate of the barrel. I’ve put this question and a few others to H&N on it’s Facebook page. If I get an answer, I’ll pass it along here.
Rowdy,
thanks for the compliment on the Short. It’s been the perfect urban sniper gun for pest control. I set it at lower power most of the time, and only recently bumped it to 24 fpe.
As for mind teasers, I’ve tried the Vulcan mind-meld technique (My mind to my mind), but nobody was home!
Are you playing on the computer at work?! 😀
darryl
PS to you (and all) do you think the Short will be able to handle the 21 grain slug? I’ve seen this gun put out over 900 fps with the 18 grain AA Heavy.
D,
Dang nice looking pup you have… Really nice.
Now far as the mind teaser, I would need to get a mind to tease at my age and condition 🙂
Happy Holidays back at you!
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hi miksatx,
could you please pm the particulars of the barrel to me?
to all, I’ve made a nuisance of myself on the H&N Facebook page, trying to sense the degree of collaboration between it and the larger airgun barrel makers of the world. Imagine those extreme benchrest contests where the distances are increase for slugs. Imagine the opportunity to challenge FX’s dominance in that arena. Good for business and end users alike, I’d think. Also, here is the description of the H&N .217/21 grain slug on PA’s site (it looks pretty hopeful to me):
Specifications
Caliber .22″ (5.5mm)
Ammo Type Slugs
Suggested for Small game hunting/plinking
Weight 21.0gr
Ammo Shape
Head Size 5.51 mm
Length 6.70 mm
Quantity 200
Ballistic Coefficient 0.091
Muzzle Energy 27 ft/lbs
Muzzle Velocity 771 fps
Energy at 25 yds 25 ft/lbs
Velocity at 25 yds 745 fps
Energy at 50 yds 24 ft/lbs
Velocity at 50 yds 719 fps
What do you guys think of these specs?
Darryl