I know what quite is now
My 22 cricket has a LDC and my 25 has a LDC , I thought both guns were quiet,
I bought a Mutant shorty, wow this thing is as quiet as my Crickets,
I ordered a 1/2 20 adapter from Dman for my Mutant and sent him a old shroud to see if he could make a LDC out of it.
Long story short the shroud was useless, The 1/2 20 adapter was a work of art, (I already had one and did not no it, DUH)
He sent me a LDC from Donny, FREE, You can not beat that with a stick,
I did not think it was possible to make a PCP gun this QUIET, It makes my Crickets sound like shot guns..
When I first shot it I thought the pellet stuck in the barrel, The sparrow fell over at 48 yards?????
I like quiet because the prey(sparrows are not as spooked)
Nothing really you can do about the pellet hitting the target,
Mouse fart is way to loud for my LDC Mutant shorty, Its called super quiet,
There is a limit to quietness, and I think I have reached it,, The only way to make it quieter is to empty all the air out of the gun and whisper, Bang Bang
Mike
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Hey Hoot,
Thanks for the post. I was thinking of doing enlarging the holes in both of my Matadors (.25 Std & .22 long – both shooting 925 fps). What kind of sound reduction can I expect? I have tried several moderators with no noticeable effect. So my expectations are low but if you could elaborate on what to expect that would be helpful.
Thanks.
There you see ! Even The Uncle has gone over to the metric system. Time for the whole Nation to follow the leader. :whistle:
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Behold the gates to Nirvana….
Note that these are 1.5mm holes.
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Believe me – you don’t want to see Uncle Hoot:’s magical vent holes. :suprisedn:
Can we get some pictures of these magical vent holes Uncle Hoot!
Most of us here are illiterate.
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Dear Forum/Thread Lepers…
I shouldn’t share this information with you because I firmly believe you will fuck it up and blame me for the results…
However, the only way I have available to drag you from the pits of ignorance is to toss tidbits of information before you, knowing that many of you will merely walk over these diamonds of knowledge, and continue your journey with my invaluable data stuck between your hooves!
Alas…I digress!
Anyway, the other night I drilled seven holes in my Shorty shroud, evenly spaced in a circle around the empty chamber between where the snap ring holds the baffles and where the muzzle screws into the shroud. There’s a little over an inch of empty shroud where air initially exits the muzzle and just before the air pressure hits the baffles.
If a body can vent some of this pressure out of the shroud, prior to it engaging the baffle system, the result will be a reduced blast of air from the shroud. Simple physics. I used a small 1.5mm drill bit and wound two strips of masking tape around the shroud to protect the finish. These strips were spaced about 2.0mm apart, just far enough apart to permit the drill bit to reach the metal. I pre-marked the drill locations with a pencil on the masking tape so the holes would be evenly spaced. If the holes are not evenly spaced, they will look like shit on a white horse, so be careful to drill accordingly. (use a “Sharpy” black permanent marking pen to color the insides of the holes. Just stick the end into the holes and rotate it. Any excess marker on the shroud surface can be easily rubbed off with your finger.)
I have done this to every pcp I have owned. Many already have vent holes at the back of the shroud. Usually they are extremely small in diameter. I have found that I can go up to 3.0mm and achieve substantial air pressure reduction within the shroud without causing any noise from the air escaping from the vent holes.
The Mutant is already very quiet. However, I live next to some rich assholes, and must prevent their knowledge of my shooting activities. While I harbor absolutely no ill feelings, anger, or disgust towards these stupid sons of bitches, I do wish to preserve quiet and order in my neighborhood. Therefore I have always done whatever I could to keep my pcp activities as quiet as possible. Venting works…it has always worked. The key is finding how large the holes should be and how many should be used.
Some members have used a double row of holes…this is fine as long as they are small in diameter. When the holes get too large you will experience a sound of escaping air from the vent holes. This can be easily avoided. Several small vent holes work better than fewer large vent holes.
My gun is now quieter. If you decide to try this, you may avoid the need of adding an additional ldc to the shroud. Right now the loudest sound I can detect is the hammer slap. I cannot detect any noticeable muzzle blast. However…remember I’m 73 and my hearing is not 100%, so your results may vary.
If you decide to try this, my suggestion is to use a 1.5mm bit, buy a new sharp one, they are cheap. I also bought a 2.0mm and 3.0mm bit in case I wanted to go with larger vent holes. I’m staying with 1.5mm for now and will ask someone to stand ten feet away and tell me what they can hear. If there is noticeable muzzle blast, I will go to the 2.0mm bit, and if necessary I’ll use the 3.0mm bit. I don’t like to go larger than that because you can then begin to notice venting discharge sounds. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, as it’s a “whoosh” sound and unlikely to attract attention.
There it is. Seven years of experimenting with venting shrouds. Use this knowledge with caution because I can’t guarantee what results cosmetically or acoustically you will achieve. I do know this is how I can keep my “Shorty” at it’s current length, and reduce what little noise it makes. I have an ldc for this gun, but it is almost as quiet as the Lelya, and I like not having to screw an attachment on before I shoot.
Kind regards….
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:
I wish I only wanted a .177 but my desires go way Beyond the capabilities of that caliber. I am awaiting the .25 with interest.
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Yes…that statement is true. Now…be a real man and wait for the .25’s to arrive!!! That is…IF you want to run with the Big Dogs.
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am I the only 1 that desires a .177? lets be truthful now!
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I don’t think they come in .177, and a .25 is in the works.
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do have a pair of twin crickets .22 & .177 compacts and they function and shoot hole for hole at 25 yds. bought both on the used market and am not sure if they have been modded or not. if I could get a standard mutant in .177 that would be a good enough excuse for me to warrant yet another pup. all though for some odd reason the litter is getting larger!
Many here own both a Cricket and a Mutant and probably share a similar opinion. Mechanically, the Mutant is far superior to the Cricket. 9 times out of 10 in a beauty contest a Cricket will probably win but in a field test a Mutant will shine. This is speaking from person experience. If you value form over function, get a Cricket. If you’re in the latter, get a Mutant.
over slept, just getting caught up and thanks for your input.
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Having owned both…there is little doubt in my mind that the Taipan is one of the two best pcp bullpups on the market today! I’d rate it even above the Vulcan, which I also owned, and which was an improvement over the Cricket.
If you are a Cricket owner…I’d say you are two “quality” generations behind today’s best offering.
Remember, that’s just my personal opinion. Everyone has their favorites. However, the Taipan is quality built, even the hex screws and bolts are bigger and heavier duty than the Cricket and Vulcan. The trigger is unmatched for design, heavy duty, and adjustability.
Unlike the brain dead designers at Crosman…the Euro producers are learning from the weaknesses of each bullpup designed and released to the public. Every year an improved design appears on the market.
Your milage may vary…(like I give a shit.)
Kindest regards…
Elderly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:
“Well Fuggit…there’s a fly in my rice!” Sun Tzu circa 450 BCE
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Results of sound reduction are in the ears of the beholder…so perception of sound reduction varies by individual.
Personally, I felt I got a 25% reduction in my Matadors.
Just don’t go nuts on the hole size.
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