Manual multyshot
I am thinking… I am about to make .30 EDgun Matador, first 40 guns will be single shot just to test everything, the valve, regulator, hammer and hammer spring, barrel, pellets etc. If everything goes well I should think about multyshot. To keep it at the same size as R3M is not possible — I will need to make completely new breach, that is expensive since I have no idea about demand for these guns. You should agree with me that is this caliber is quite specific. So, I thought that there is no problem to install the magazine to standard breach of R3M but take off the ling between the bolt and the magazine. So it will look like that:
1. Pull the bolt and open it.
2. Insert the magazine,
3. Close the bolt.
4. Shoot.
5. Pull the bolt back, cocking hammer.
6. Revolve the magazine manually.
7. Close the bolt.
8. Shoot.
It will be something between single shot and multyshot, easy to operate, faster then single shot loading.
What do you, guys, think about it?
Ed
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Not a good idea Ed,
My first pcp rifle was the FX Typhoon and with the purchase I got a magazine that works the same exact way. I tried it out, hated it and single loaded.
If you want to start out slow, make a single shot version… Im sure there are a lot of people out there that really dont care too much about multishot (Im one of them)… .30 single shot would sell.
I would be happy to purchase one but I really want my .22 Lelya first 🙂 (which I ordered through Pavel.)
Q
Single shot sounds good to start but if you decide to go multi-shot it must index automatically to be competitive in the changing market. Many customers are looking for semi-auto at this point so manually indexing isn’t really a viable option IMO. Sure the manual index is quicker than the single feed but that is irrelevant to a business decision making it cost effective with enough volume to be viable.
Guys,
I just went thru the indexing to single shot to manual indexing on the same gun.
I don’t own an Edgun, but I just bought a Tarantula that had auto indexing and it was not working right and shaving lead and jamming.
I made a single shot tray and shot that for a while, then manufactured a new spindle and now use the magazine manually indexed like Ed is talking about.
It is light years faster than a single shot, I mean light years faster. I simply load two magazines that I have and turn the magazine until the lock clicks on it and it now lines up perfect for every shot.
Indexing is just another thing to go wrong on air guns IMHO.
Regards,
Roachcreek
How about a multishot kit for the R3 .25?
Here is my thought although I am not in the market for a .30. Your competitors are coming out with .30 cal multi-shot bullpups (FX bobcat, Cricket). Both reputable gun builders. In my opinion, a .30 cal is not something you would sit in front of a shooting range and shoot tins after tins and be ok with single loading. It will be used out in the field for hunting. Although with good shot placement, you can kill an animal with one shot but the option to have a second shot if needed will always be on the hunter’s mind. When it comings to buying a gun, that option will definitely come to play in the decision making. We all know Edguns are quality made and within this air gun community, you have a lot of guys owning more than one gun/rifle. So if the .30 cal Edgun multishot get good reviews, people won’t mind buying another Edgun to add to their collection. If I was in the market for a .30 cal, even a 3 shot magazine would make me happy 🙂 But like Demp said 4-6 shots would be preferred.
If you come out with a single shot .30 cal, your buyers will have to spend more money later on to get the multishot kit. Not only have to pay for the new breach but for shipping and amount of time waiting.
We don’t know how the .30 cal Bobcat or Cricket performs yet, but I can tell there are a lot of interest on the forums.
Just my thought as a consumer. I was seriously about to buy the .25 Cricket (Multi-shot) until I heard R3M was coming out real soon and willing to wait for it.
I like it Ed… better than no 30 cal. If you need a test mule send one my way id be happy to try it out
I SERIOUSLY doubt that ANYONE could beat a manually indexing mag for the same number of shots with a normally cycled single shot system. 😉
I’d agree though that for the final production of a multi-shot i’d make the standard self indexing multi-shot over the manually indexing magazine. Don’t think there would be a lot of demand for a manually indexing mag and the majority of comments would be “I wish that it was self-indexing…”
Mr. Eduard;
Since these is another brand air rifle .30 cal multi shot, I believe you should go with both single & multi shot versions for your customers, so there will be no weak point in comparison with other .30 cal multi shot rifles.
However in my point of view, Edgun never had a weak point, but in comparison this feature will mention.
I’d suggest proceeding with a single shot to keep it simple. If sales indicate an interest, then go to the time and trouble of producing a multi-shot version.
I agree with Hoot. I would prefer a simple, single shot with a pellet holder for back up shots. If there is enough interest then invest the time and money to make a multi-shot version that is truly worthy of the Edgun name.
But is that better than just having a decent pellet holder to hand?
I guess that the people buying the .30 Edgun are probably Edgun owners already and are used to the single shot
I think that the advantage here would be to not have to dig in your pocket for another pellet to just rotate the magazine and have the pellet already in the breach.
Honestly, it would only add another step to loading a single shot Edgun. That step would be to load the magazine before use. Nothing to be gained here.
I’d suggest proceeding with a single shot to keep it simple. If sales indicate an interest, then go to the time and trouble of producing a multi-shot version.
I agree. Why use magazine if you have to manually rotate. I can load a single shot just as fast.
My preference is to have magazine rotate with bolt like R3M.
If you have to make magazine capacity smaller to work I am ok with that.
4-6 shot magazine is fine for a bigger bore like 30 and 357/9mm if cheek weld is similar to R3M in my opinion.
A couple pellets in a mag for quick follow up shots would be nice for fox/coyotes in these larger calibers.
I don’t see the point if you have to manually revolve it…might as well just load the pellet manually.. Forget the clip.
Im just waiting for the .22 cal multishot kit 😈
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Make it auto indexing magazine !? Simple & easy