mutant Shorty shot count in 20 and 25 fpe
No need for a Edgun Lelya (had a .22 and sold it) , Shorty Mutant has more power, shot count, 12 shot mag, and a lot quieter with match trigger. a Joy to handle not like the Lelya—so uncomfortable with the forearm holes–not a natural feeling. its a keeper and they are going fast—-may have to trade my standard to get another shorty to convert to .177 or .20 cal. I highly recommend this beauty.
shot count;
At 25fpe:
30 shots
High: 858
Low: 849
ES: 9fps
15.9g
fill pressure 245b to 140b
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At 20fpe
40 shots
High: 769fps
Low: 759fps
fill from 240b to 145b
Barrel made in Germany! 1st time I seen a barrel engrave in what country its made—I would think its a LW?
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We’ve switched between guns a lot and found this is not the gun that is in question especially now days, but the one that is behind the trigger.
What makes the difference in an average shooter, and a great shooter, is most often found between his ears, not the breech and muzzle of a gun. :winkn:
~ GKU
But a great shooter is one who employs superb shooting technique, methinks. :winkn: Give an excellent shooter a Lothar Walther or CZ barrel, or even cocking mechanism handcrafted by Daffy Dowizzle, and he’ll put an average shooter in his/her place.
Lend that guy that same gun and see then who becomes the average shooter. :winkn:
~ GKU
We’ve switched between guns a lot and found this is not the gun that is in question especially now days, but the one that is behind the trigger.
What makes the difference in an average shooter, and a great shooter, is most often found between his ears, not the breech and muzzle of a gun. :winkn:
~ GKU
But a great shooter is one who employs superb shooting technique, methinks. :winkn: Give an excellent shooter a Lothar Walther or CZ barrel, or even a cocking mechanism handcrafted by Daffy Doowizzle, and he’ll put an average shooter in his/her place.
No matter what technique one employs after all is said and done, it comes down to the shooter.
We’ve switched between guns a lot and found this is not the gun that is in question especially now days, but the one that is behind the trigger.
What makes the difference in an average shooter, and a great shooter, is most often found between his ears, not the breech and muzzle of a gun. :winkn:
~ GKU
Jerry we talk days ago, didn’t know it was you—we could have talk over the phone about this matter, don’t like typing all that much so i try to make it quick.
The end cap new paint was in the oven for 2 hours, so its in place curing prior to riming it out and polish the exit hole tomorrow so it will be ready to ship out Monday.
That’s a lot of lead you shot—-at 57 I don’t think I would never come close and half my shooting is through the crony—you lucky guy!
Damn Ernest,
I almost thought you got me there 😳
Yes Ernest as you say, the best way to do it but just keep in mind what Jerry Miculek says “This is for entertainment only, please do not try this at home, specially if you have a R3M” (I think he is referring to not changing the point of aiming while cycling the gun 😀 )
Magnificent Cousin Oakey,
please don’t make confusion, I’m speaking about the only Keyser, our cousin Keyser, AKA “London Shotgun Keyser” (with all due respect :bow: :bow: :bow: )
Sorry Pippo, getting old!
What dumb ass forget to re-center the scope after advancing the mag!—–> I made it clear above!
Damn Ernest,
I almost thought you got me there 😳
Yes Ernest as you say, the best way to do it but just keep in mind what Jerry Miculek says “This is for entertainment only, please do not try this at home, specially if you have a R3M” (I think he is referring to not changing the point of aiming while cycling the gun 😀 )
Magnificent Cousin Oakey,
please don’t make confusion, I’m speaking about the only Keyser, our cousin Keyser, AKA “London Shotgun Keyser” (with all due respect :bow: :bow: :bow: )
Pippo you must be a X sniper yourself :ugeekn: !
In training we had a course in accuracy and recoil and seem like days in that subject.
It was the most interesting subject to ME—what I know then apply to AG’s, I didn’t give in depth detail how I use the stand in the photo.
Here’s how I set it up:
The front stand has a wide leather mount to allow recoil movement to the rear and barrel flip — like laying on your palm of you hand (mounting point close to center of balance—not seen on the photo but aft of the forearm), when AG is resting on the rear clamp felt pad is back out to the point there is no pressure on the stock, now fire 2 round with pellet using a rubber stick on the trigger blade only while no part of your body is touching the AG and stand—record the movement of the butt pad with a dial indicator, now apply light pressure on the felt pad to prevent side to side movement of the stock now take 2 more shots and compare the two measurements if vary close or no change I continue with accuracy test.
cock and loaded —when looking through the scope after its been centered and focus to your target take a shot–adjust point of impact till within 1/4″ of target point–this is the starting point of the accuracy group test.
after each shot keep an eye on the location of the test gun—make sure its not walking back—-> a marker should be used to relocate original location. per each shot recenter scope, mind you while looking through the scope do not touch the stand and test gun but only when re centering the scope, take the shot but only touching the trigger blade. repeat each shot noted above to complete the group.
with this procedure you will find the true accuracy of the test gun not the shooter, its a vary time consuming test and not to many do it.
By all means its not a perfect test and others have a better one–but close
Ernerst,
Although I’m not Pippo, and not a former sniper either, I have shot so many rounds I can’t even begin to count how much I’ve expended. The only best guess-timation I can give is somewhere around 200,000 pellets. After spending quite some time shooting air rifles, I began wondering how to get those elusive, perfect one-hole groups consistently. I read up on and applied the principles of marksmanship, and still, I was unable to consistently achieve pellet-on-pellet groups at least to 30 yards. When I say pellet-on-pellet, I’m not stating dime-sized groups or holes slightly larger than a pellet. I mean when the fifteenth pellet went into the hole the first pellet made! Fine precision is what I am after.
Newton’s third law of motion states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Thus, a gun is going to move no matter what alien technology it has. We all know by now that even a PCP will recoil. A golden moment for me when shooting is right when a shot breaks and I don’t even see the reticle move. It’s as if the gun is dead upon firing. The gun is so still I can even see the pellet fly towards the point-of-aim. The first several times I had experienced this, I realized that in order to hit the period at the end of a sentence, that is what a shooter must be able to do — to consistently make the rifle recoil straight backwards.
What makes it difficult for a shooter to allow a rifle to thrust straight back, to me, is finding the specific hold, contact point, and pressure to apply on the gun. Move your forestock hand to even an inch from its previous location or add an ounce of pressure somewhere else and it is going to change the firing movement of the gun. Yes, I believe a consistent technique is the key to accurate shooting. To that, I want to add that before a consistent technique is adopted, it is crucial that one is developed around managing the rifle to move straight and back…not, say, a technique that although consistent, let’s the gun move an inch left, right, up or down. :thumb:
By the way, how is my Cricket shroud coming along? :winkn:
That’s the best way I’ve found also Ernest. The only thing touching the gun is my trigger finger. Make sure target is parallax free.
Pippo you must be a X sniper yourself :ugeekn: !
In training we had a course in accuracy and recoil and seem like days in that subject.
It was the most interesting subject to ME—what I know then apply to AG’s, I didn’t give in depth detail how I use the stand in the photo.
Here’s how I set it up:
The front stand has a wide leather mount to allow recoil movement to the rear and barrel flip — like laying on your palm of you hand (mounting point close to center of balance—not seen on the photo but aft of the forearm), when AG is resting on the rear clamp felt pad is back out to the point there is no pressure on the stock, now fire 2 round with pellet using a rubber stick on the trigger blade only while no part of your body is touching the AG and stand—record the movement of the butt pad with a dial indicator, now apply light pressure on the felt pad to prevent side to side movement of the stock now take 2 more shots and compare the two measurements if vary close or no change I continue with accuracy test.
cock and loaded —when looking through the scope after its been centered and focus to your target take a shot–adjust point of impact till within 1/4″ of target point–this is the starting point of the accuracy group test.
after each shot keep an eye on the location of the test gun—make sure its not walking back—-> a marker should be used to relocate original location. per each shot recenter scope, mind you while looking through the scope do not touch the stand and test gun but only when re centering the scope, take the shot but only touching the trigger blade. repeat each shot noted above to complete the group.
with this procedure you will find the true accuracy of the test gun not the shooter, its a vary time consuming test and not to many do it.
By all means its not a perfect test and others have a better one–but close
On the barrel it says “Germany” and this is already a good start.
It happens that there are match grade barrels that are not necessarily CZ or LW only.
There are other players (Anschutz, BSA, etc, etc) that have proven to be able to make quality barrels.
BUT Taipan should openly say what kind of barrel they mount.
AND ….. The Taipan Short is a REAL BEAUTY…..(IMHO)
AND …… Ernest’s opinion counts (at least for me) :bow: :bow: :bow:
AND ….. Keyser likes the Taipan very much (he owns them all and he knows which one is the best but he wants to stay neutral, he doesn’t want to influence anybody, he is a gentleman)
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My Cousin Sir Pippo of the highest magnitude. You are right once again you little genius :geekn: . There are other match grade barrel makers and this is all I would ever expect in this gun a match grade barrel. Make the Ratso smile. My cousin of the most divine order Keyser Soze is not real he is but a shadow who is not who we think he is. I have had meeting with his associates but never he they call Keyser Soze. He is but the :hoot: Uncles Alter Ego making mischief a creative blip in our lives. This is why Keyser is a legend.
I think it’s legitimate to ask which barrel is on the gun and I also think that the Taipan owners, given the quality of the rest of the gun, haven’t chosen a cheap barrel.
On the barrel it says “Germany” and this is already a good start.
It happens that there are match grade barrels that are not necessarily CZ or LW only.
There are other players (Anschutz, BSA, etc, etc) that have proven to be able to make quality barrels.
BUT Taipan should openly say what kind of barrel they mount.
AND ….. The Taipan Short is a REAL BEAUTY…..(IMHO)
AND …… Ernest’s opinion counts (at least for me) :bow: :bow: :bow:
AND ….. Keyser likes the Taipan very much (he owns them all and he knows which one is the best but he wants to stay neutral, he doesn’t want to influence anybody, he is a gentleman)
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Soze the gun is coming from Tony at TT it’s already paid for. Tony has always been a straight shooter with me. He will give me the skinny. If he tells me this gun is Cricket accurate I trust him. This is what I am expecting at this price tag. I already talked with him about this.
Dman if the baby is as good as a cricket, Vulcan and Edgun in it’s accuracy I am happy as a pig rolling in shit on a hot day. No one is blowing anything out of proportion. It’s a new gun coming to market that was sold to the forum as a gun that came with a CZ barrel. When you market it like this there is a sense of trust that the barrel is accurate and of high quality. There are a lot of folks with good experiences of guns with these barrels it is trusted and folks feel comfortable buying it. This is the point. But when folks find out that this is not what is they become cautious. Let the buyer beware and this is me. If the gun turns out to have boring accuracy all this banter was for naught. This is what I am hoping for. Don’t think I am not. I like small guns that are quiet and accurate. Please let us know how your shortie shoots tomorrow.
These Taipans are good guns. My suggestion is to buy from TT. Tony is not a bullshitter, call him ask him to test a gun for you and give it the Talon Tunes approval. We’re not talking about buying a gun from AoA. Sometimes in life you gotta just jump. I did it with the Vulcan and Taipan. I am really happy with both purchases.
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