not looking good for the BOBCAT
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Zonk
No very influential Zonk! Buddy buying a BC 😈
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No, mines non regulated. My buddy is waiting for his .25 BC to come in, it should have the newer regulator
Zonk
I also e-mailed FX about their leak problem and they said they had that problem fixed with new style dowdy seal.
Zonk
…Smart idea.
Thanks for the update! I think this will improve things.
Zonk did yours leak. Or does it not have the regulator? I guess all the guns with regulators were leaking
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AoAs fix is their letting FX install regulator from factory. They’re not doing it anymore from what they told me. To many leaks and returns.
I also e-mailed FX about their leak problem and they said they had that problem fixed with new style dowdy seal.
Zonk
Well, NP, if it makes you feel any better, this info is now posted here and “V” has also posted it on “FX owners” forum. So, that’s two places someone could possibly find it.
Also, I think that AoA has got a better fix in place for the “leaky dowdy seal stack system,” things will start to calm down a little. There’s still going to be bad ones in the bunch as with any manufacturer and/or customization.
Agree that it would have to be worded very, very carefully, but in that Email there’s information that should reach the general public and individuals that are looking to buy an FX,…slippery slope indeed tho
Nomadic Pirate,
I agree but you know as well as I do that posting something like that would get pulled. Whether it’s because of favoritism or due to the fact that it is really a review of AoA and, therefore, should be placed in the dealer BOI. It would get pulled either way and I would put myself in a position to possibly get yanked as well.
So, here’s my dilemma on this whole BC issue…
FX sends the rifle to AoA. AoA then takes it apart and customizes it with regulators. In some effect, this voids the factory warranty because the rifle has been taken apart by someone other than the manufacturer. The rifle goes out to the customer, (after a quick test down a 14yd indoor range which shows excellent results for 99% of rifles) and then is found to be defective. What once was a perfectly good rifle, was customized incorrectly. This isn’t a manufacturer problem, it’s an AoA problem.
So why, as a customer, do I have to pay to ship back a rifle for a job that was done incorrectly before I ever even received the rifle? (re: leaking, regulator issues) These are things that should have been tested before it left the shop.
If the rifle is defective (eg. it doesn’t shoot at all), THAT would be an FX issue and therefore they are responsible for sending out a defective product, NOT AoA. So, it would be on FX to pick up the shipping bill or reimburse someone the cost.
An issue like pellets clipping the shroud could possibly be damage incurred by the shipping company. From Sweden to Arizona, USA to the customer via UPS is quite a long way to go. I could have easily PROVEN that the clipping issue was incurred by UPS slamming the box around. In this case, it would be a claim into UPS for the damages to be repaired. Again, not on the customer.
“Hurry on down to AoA, buy your defective rifle today!” Hmmm, not really effective advertising.
There are some that say that shipping the guns back and forth would eat into profits and result in driving up costs. Well, yes. That’s why if a rifle gets opened and customized in any way, it should then be THOROUGHLY tested. I’m not suggesting shooting 500 rounds through it but, lets say 10-15 at a respectable distance. A pump-up or a PCP should also be tested for air leakage. They fill them anyway before sending them out. So fill it, let it sit for an hour, mark the PSI and time, send it out the next day if it passes the test. In a pump up, two shots and a chrony should tell you if it is leaking. __# of pumps, shoot, record FPS, __# of pumps again. Next day, shoot and look for anything beyond a reasonable difference in FPS.
If the rifles that are being sent out are coming back in droves as being defective… Wait for it… STOP SELLING THEM until the problem is worked out! Or, sell them with the understanding that they won’t ship until AFTER the solution is figured out.
Will it cost the distributer money, YES absolutely. This should be an INCENTIVE to solve problems not a reason to jack up the price.
In closing I say again, I’m VERY pleased with the end result of my BC! And, I guess I should be, since I apparently got a $350 tune job for $40 in shipping costs because I am one of the “lucky ones”. I’m obviously not happy about some of the other details in getting the BC to this stage.
This was all just my opinion and my :2cents:
Happy Shooting!
I got my BC back and it is now a very accurate rifle. AoA repaired the clipping issue by drilling/milling out the shroud. While this seems like a shortcut to me, it worked and so I’m happy about that. What I’m not happy about is that they didn’t put any blueing or anything at all on the bare metal from the milling process! Come on guys! Really? I paid for the rifle, then paid for the shipping back to AoA, bought an extra mag from you, got my Verminator from you, got an extra mag for that from you, got pellets from you, got two single shot trays from you.
The BC problems have been explained,
$60 to send it back,
The pellets are TOTAL SHIT!,
The damn single shot tray doesn’t even fit in the BC! I’ll have to send that back too!
You can’t even put a bit of finish on the fucking repair? You can’t even TRY to make it look decent?
WTF?!?!
So, onto another TRUE story…
There’s another fellow out there who was having all the traditional problems with his BC. Lets call him “V”. Sent his BC back THREE times! THREE FREAKIN TIMES! Were his expectations unreasonable? Was he ignored as a customer? Did he piss off the wrong person? Three times and it still isn’t right? Come on guys, send they guy a working rifle, send him his money back, or work out some kind of deal that will satisfy the customer.
I’ve been emailing him back and forth and his latest emails to me were the most revealing. Here’s a cut and paste of his emails…
Talked to Steve, of AOA repair, today and he told me the following.
AOA is going to stop doing what basically amounts to a tune on new bobcats. He said that Ted has a tuned gun and that as long as the gun meets FX factory specs, AOA will not tune it even if it is not as accurate as Ted’s or others that have reported similar results. If someone wants a tune, it will cost $350 extra!
Basically, FX and AOA use Ted and his results to market the Bobcat as an exceptionally accurate gun, but they will not guarantee that those result can be achieved. In fact, they will not be achieved…or so it appears from my experience…without a professional tune. Steve said it was taking too much time to tune the bobcats and they now have decided to stop. Those that had it done are the lucky ones, and are ones that likely returned the guns to AOA to correct accuracy problems.
The best they can do for me is send me a new regulator, to swap with my current one. My guess is that this will correct the wider than optimal MV variations, which in turn is resulting in groupings that are much greater than what others are reporting. If the regulator swap doesn’t work, then I’ll be forced to pay for a tune – if I decide to keep it.
So, in summary, paying extra for a regulator will not achieve the high accuracy that everyone expects. The extra accuracy will cost $350 more, if the tune is done at AOA.
Interesting, yes?
Some of that is FACT and some is OPINION. While I don’t agree with Ted being in cahoots with anyone, I did find it interesting that AoA decided that the best thing to do was to send this guy a new regulator so he can do the work and he can install it himself. Why couldn’t they have done this during one of the THREE times they had it in the shop? Now, it’s on THE CUSTOMER to do it?
Here’s a post he made on another forum…
Glad to hear that you have a good and accurate rife coming home. I have had my regulated bobcat .25 for about two months. The accuracy is not that great, or at least as great as .50 inch groupings at 50 yards. I shot over 143 groups of 5 shots (715 pellets) at 50 yards and the weighted average grouping is only .97 inches (CTC). I used the best bench press techniques, shot JSB Exact Kings, and even used a level. All shots were on calm or very light windy days. Even when I strip out the worse 20%, the wtd average is .83 inches – nothing close to the .50 inches that everyone says is normal for the BC.
I just talked to Steve at AOA today. He said that they are no longer tuning Bobcats that are returned. It’s taking too much time and therefore they will not tune mine unless I pay an additional $350 dollars. Apparently there have been lots of folks returning Bobcats because of accuracy problems. I had to return mine because of the dowdy seal leak, lever jamming, and sighting/accuracy problems. AOA fixed everything – replaced the barrel, fixed the leak, and adjusted the firing mechanism, but sent me a Bobcat that had a wide 25 spread between low and high Muzzle Velocity (MV) and a high Standard Deviation (SD) of 4 – their test results. I really can’t understand why they sent it back without adjusting the regulator, and tuning it as they have done others that have had accuracy problems.
I performed six (6) chrono tests and the average extreme spread was 14, with a SD of 4.1. This is materially worse then the average of five (5) different strings that others have posted on the Yellow. Hence I have something wrong with my regulator, which in turn is adversely impacting accuracy. One new Bobcat owner had the exact string of wide MV varations as I did, and when he swapped out the regulator with his Royal 400 regulator, the wide MV variations went away. Hence my hope that a new regulator will take care of my problem.
The more accurate Bobcats – that have been tuned – are producing low-high MV spreads of between 5-6 and with a SD of 2. I estimate, using ChairgunPro, that my groupings and accuracy would improve significantly if my Bobcat performed at the same level as the others that have gotten tuned. AOA is sending me a new regulator to swap with the old one, however, I’m not that confident that will get the job done if it is not tuned, which includes replacing the barrel crown and polishing. It’s the last step before I have it tuned.
The expectations of the Bobcats were set by Ted and his videos that highlighted how accurate the Bobcat is. However, what he did not disclose is that his Bobcat had been professionally tuned, or so I’m told. So, if AOA stops tuning Bobcats, as in my case, there will two classes of Bobcats. The tuned class being very accurate with the second class, even if it is regulated, not so accurate. I bought the regulated BC because of the accuracy, now I’m being told I need to spend $350 more to have it tuned.
You guys can draw your own conclusions from these emails/posts. I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. His perseverance is amazing! I would have given up on BC#2 if it didn’t function properly. Now, I’m a happy BC owner and my faith in FX rifles has been restored. I have made some amazing shots with this rifle and I’m loving the .25 caliber! At 30 yards i’m getting 3/4″ groups with it using the TOTAL SHIT GARBAGE lead slurry that JSB put in the tin that AoA sent me, and under 1/2″ groups at 50 yards with decent pellets purchased somewhere else in gusty winds. I managed to put 2 pellets within an inch of each other at 150 yards (in the wind) 2 days ago. Probably luck, but it was fun to watch!
That’s it for me tonight, I’ve got work tomorrow.
Happy Shooting!
That Email should be posted on the Yellow for full disclosure of the real facts
110 kg plus change here !
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your butt hurts???
Zonk
You two will have to PM your weight then I’ll put you on a scale and weigh you. You know what happens to the one found being too light. 😉
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LOL………..who’s side you on eelect??
It’s always fun to raz Ville………
Zonk
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Look in the hunting section Zonk!
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