not looking good for the BOBCAT

Zonk I think it’s time you come out of the closet. 😮

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I have several friends with BC’s so i know EXACTLY how they shoot – in .177, .22 & .25.
They outshooting a Cricket is just not going to happen. An EG doing that ? Please Hemn …

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Oh no don’t pussy out on us now. Afraid a little BC will out shoot ur cricket????? :4: :rofl:

help me out Hemn

Zonk

Yes,,, Brother ville, ,, Zonk is right, ,, FX is just your neighbour, ,,, why you didn’t try? And I think the best FX is only Ugly Bobcat. … and I like Gladiator MKII. …

You can get FXs cheaper than anyone. ..

It’s still the Fugliest Bullpup ever made. Actually it isn’t even a Bullpup. But it sure is Ugly!

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An update and some other interesting info…

I got my BC back and it is now a very accurate rifle. AoA repaired the clipping issue by drilling/milling out the shroud. While this seems like a shortcut to me, it worked and so I’m happy about that. What I’m not happy about is that they didn’t put any blueing or anything at all on the bare metal from the milling process! Come on guys! Really? I paid for the rifle, then paid for the shipping back to AoA, bought an extra mag from you, got my Verminator from you, got an extra mag for that from you, got pellets from you, got two single shot trays from you.
The BC problems have been explained,
$60 to send it back,
The pellets are TOTAL SHIT!,
The damn single shot tray doesn’t even fit in the BC! I’ll have to send that back too!
You can’t even put a bit of finish on the fucking repair? You can’t even TRY to make it look decent?
WTF?!?!

So, onto another TRUE story…
There’s another fellow out there who was having all the traditional problems with his BC. Lets call him “V”. Sent his BC back THREE times! THREE FREAKIN TIMES! Were his expectations unreasonable? Was he ignored as a customer? Did he piss off the wrong person? Three times and it still isn’t right? Come on guys, send they guy a working rifle, send him his money back, or work out some kind of deal that will satisfy the customer.
I’ve been emailing him back and forth and his latest emails to me were the most revealing. Here’s a cut and paste of his emails…

Talked to Steve, of AOA repair, today and he told me the following.
AOA is going to stop doing what basically amounts to a tune on new bobcats. He said that Ted has a tuned gun and that as long as the gun meets FX factory specs, AOA will not tune it even if it is not as accurate as Ted’s or others that have reported similar results. If someone wants a tune, it will cost $350 extra!
Basically, FX and AOA use Ted and his results to market the Bobcat as an exceptionally accurate gun, but they will not guarantee that those result can be achieved. In fact, they will not be achieved…or so it appears from my experience…without a professional tune. Steve said it was taking too much time to tune the bobcats and they now have decided to stop. Those that had it done are the lucky ones, and are ones that likely returned the guns to AOA to correct accuracy problems.
The best they can do for me is send me a new regulator, to swap with my current one. My guess is that this will correct the wider than optimal MV variations, which in turn is resulting in groupings that are much greater than what others are reporting. If the regulator swap doesn’t work, then I’ll be forced to pay for a tune – if I decide to keep it.
So, in summary, paying extra for a regulator will not achieve the high accuracy that everyone expects. The extra accuracy will cost $350 more, if the tune is done at AOA.
Interesting, yes?

Some of that is FACT and some is OPINION. While I don’t agree with Ted being in cahoots with anyone, I did find it interesting that AoA decided that the best thing to do was to send this guy a new regulator so he can do the work and he can install it himself. Why couldn’t they have done this during one of the THREE times they had it in the shop? Now, it’s on THE CUSTOMER to do it?

Here’s a post he made on another forum…
Glad to hear that you have a good and accurate rife coming home. I have had my regulated bobcat .25 for about two months. The accuracy is not that great, or at least as great as .50 inch groupings at 50 yards. I shot over 143 groups of 5 shots (715 pellets) at 50 yards and the weighted average grouping is only .97 inches (CTC). I used the best bench press techniques, shot JSB Exact Kings, and even used a level. All shots were on calm or very light windy days. Even when I strip out the worse 20%, the wtd average is .83 inches – nothing close to the .50 inches that everyone says is normal for the BC.

I just talked to Steve at AOA today. He said that they are no longer tuning Bobcats that are returned. It’s taking too much time and therefore they will not tune mine unless I pay an additional $350 dollars. Apparently there have been lots of folks returning Bobcats because of accuracy problems. I had to return mine because of the dowdy seal leak, lever jamming, and sighting/accuracy problems. AOA fixed everything – replaced the barrel, fixed the leak, and adjusted the firing mechanism, but sent me a Bobcat that had a wide 25 spread between low and high Muzzle Velocity (MV) and a high Standard Deviation (SD) of 4 – their test results. I really can’t understand why they sent it back without adjusting the regulator, and tuning it as they have done others that have had accuracy problems.

I performed six (6) chrono tests and the average extreme spread was 14, with a SD of 4.1. This is materially worse then the average of five (5) different strings that others have posted on the Yellow. Hence I have something wrong with my regulator, which in turn is adversely impacting accuracy. One new Bobcat owner had the exact string of wide MV varations as I did, and when he swapped out the regulator with his Royal 400 regulator, the wide MV variations went away. Hence my hope that a new regulator will take care of my problem.

The more accurate Bobcats – that have been tuned – are producing low-high MV spreads of between 5-6 and with a SD of 2. I estimate, using ChairgunPro, that my groupings and accuracy would improve significantly if my Bobcat performed at the same level as the others that have gotten tuned. AOA is sending me a new regulator to swap with the old one, however, I’m not that confident that will get the job done if it is not tuned, which includes replacing the barrel crown and polishing. It’s the last step before I have it tuned.

The expectations of the Bobcats were set by Ted and his videos that highlighted how accurate the Bobcat is. However, what he did not disclose is that his Bobcat had been professionally tuned, or so I’m told. So, if AOA stops tuning Bobcats, as in my case, there will two classes of Bobcats. The tuned class being very accurate with the second class, even if it is regulated, not so accurate. I bought the regulated BC because of the accuracy, now I’m being told I need to spend $350 more to have it tuned.

You guys can draw your own conclusions from these emails/posts. I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. His perseverance is amazing! I would have given up on BC#2 if it didn’t function properly. Now, I’m a happy BC owner and my faith in FX rifles has been restored. I have made some amazing shots with this rifle and I’m loving the .25 caliber! At 30 yards i’m getting 3/4″ groups with it using the TOTAL SHIT GARBAGE lead slurry that JSB put in the tin that AoA sent me, and under 1/2″ groups at 50 yards with decent pellets purchased somewhere else in gusty winds. I managed to put 2 pellets within an inch of each other at 150 yards (in the wind) 2 days ago. Probably luck, but it was fun to watch!

That’s it for me tonight, I’ve got work tomorrow.
Happy Shooting!

The Condom-case is classified info. Now that you know about it i’ll have to kill you. Sorry but that’s the rule. I’ll TRY to make it swift and somewhat painless .

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Well done SECoda,,, i have only my LapTop and my Galaxy S4zoom,,, and my wife is angry and always telling me,, Hemn you should get marry with your LapTop and phone ,,,HAHAHAHA ,,, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :winkn: :winkn: and on the other hand she is quite quite comfortable or relax that my hobby is Gun and posting in TAG with plenty of helpful guys around the world,,, at least she is thinking ,,,good Hemn involved with guns and not ladies or gays .. 😯 😯 :suprisedn: :suprisedn:

so,, my brother SECOda,,, i like your style and habit with PCs and LapTops or Phones ,,,, it is much much better than any other things that almost waste all your life and bring you a real headache or tired … keep continue with us,,, and with your airguns as well…