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Rear tank gauge

Hi All,

First time here…

Reading some posts over the last couple of days, learning and having fun simultaneously, I decided to tell also my experiences.

I think that for a PCP tank, a gauge is a must.

Although I have used the gauge mounted in the neck of the bottle, it does not pleasing me πŸ™„ for two main reasons:

1ΒΊ The gauge in the bottle neck is very small, and difficult to read (and the useful zone of reading even more) and I believe that it is not accurate enough.

2ΒΊ I dont like the the asymmetric protuberance of the gauge in the bottle neck turning around while I screw the tank on. I see it fragile and dangerous if it receives a blow.

Then I decided to mount a real good gauge in the only position that is possible: the bottom of the bottle.

To do it, is indispensable to do drill a hole in the thank ( this is forbiden in some countries), but as a experiment I decided to take the risk, but with the due precautions of safety .Please note that I donΒ΄t say to anybody to do that.

The first thing of all, to locate a suitable gauge. In my case I had to order it do, since I did not find what was searching in the shops of pneumatic and hydraulics.
In two weeks they made a gauge of 40 mm of outside diameter and 250 Bar on a large scale, with a rear thread of 1/8 G and 11mm length:

After, measure and verify the thickness of the bottle bottom wall,mesuring the outside and after the inside, I found that the wall thickness is 7 mm. More than enough for my purposes.

Afterwards, centre the tank on the lathe as best as possible and drill and thread the wall of the bottle….Yes, as natural as it sound , a hole in the bottom. πŸ˜€
For cutting the thread I help my self with a little drop of cutting fluid.


Nevertheless I do not want to allow that the whole pressure of the tank should push on the threads of the gauge and I decided to install a nut from the interior to hold safely the gauge. It has also an O ring to avoid leaks: πŸ˜‰


I had to do also the special key for this nut:

To install the nut inside the tank with the special key, was tricky and difficult due to the narrow space, and especially because you work blindly!! πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•

Once installed the gauge and its nut, I protected the whole assemble with a cover of aluminium specially designed to embrace the tank and to protect the gauge of possible shock and blows.



In addition it gives more resistance to the whole set. And it gives me the confidence of not having the gauge sticked into my shoulder.

Before installing it, I tried that the gauge fits very nicely inside its new housing:

Once quite mounted, the test-proof of pressure was satisfactory, I sprayed the tank rear with soapy water,charged the bottle very slowly, no bubbles at all, and for 20 days I left the tank loaded on 200 bar without losing only one bar of pressure. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Already I have neither to count pellets nor do calculations simply I begin to shooting in 185 bar and finish on 100 bar. With good consistency of speed. I also have a good control of the presure while charging from the scuba. 8)

At the same time as I began this project, also I did an anatomical butt adjustable in length and height to do more ergonomic the set. Also it protect the glass gauge when not in use.


The screws that hold the support of the butt to the bottle are nylon pointed, to not damage or to create points of pressure on the surface of the tank

And this way there stays the whole set mounted and ready to shoot.:

Postscript
I do not recommend to anybody to do the same thing that I have done, since this is potentially dangerous specially if you dont have the proper tools….And knowledge

Each one calculates his own risk and do in consequence

Hope you like it

Mods/Machinists

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Xaloc, any new stuff to share? not withstanding the opinions of others reguarding the specific mod discussed here, you obviously are quite a craftsman and I do hope you would choose to share some of your other work.

have a great day.

quote Xaloc:

Voltar normally I would not argue with stupid. But I’ll make an exception to clarifie that I reloaded my tank many times and pulled several thousand shot without any explosion and see that I keep all the fingers of my hand.

LLLOOOOLLL!

Voltar normally I would not argue with stupid. But I’ll make an exception to clarifie that I reloaded my tank many times and pulled several thousand shot without any explosion and see that I keep all the fingers of my hand.

Dear all,… least one.

IΒ΄m still alive… πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

I am surprised that most of the responses to my post is relevant to the security of my modification.

Many well founded opinions and others less so.

I hope this is my last appearance here. Let me be very clear that since my first post I do not recommended that anyone try this transformation, as only technical experts would be able to do it well. This is not a work of amateurs with litle experience and few tools.

About my ability to make this mod in total security, I will say that I am not an amateur playing with a Chinese lathe on Sunday afternoon. Rather I am a specialist in high precision mechanisms for 30 years.

All my machines are British, Harrison lathes, conventional and CNC, milling machines Bridgeport, Mauser measuring equipment, Mitutoyo, Zeiss, Muller-Wedel etc..

Working daily with hydro-pneumatics systems with 4 or 5 times the pressure of being used to pull a PCP. 😯

I design and manufacture all this equipment also repair many of them made in the USA.

My work of high precision technology, artificial vision, telemetry, optics, mechanics and electronics have been tested, approved and installed in sophisticated equipment such as under-water inspection robots, nuclear power plants, high-vacuum equipment, helicopters, Formula 1 cars, and medical equipment surgery.

Also in tunnelling machine, where many people’s lives depended on my calculations. No one was ever harmed or even killed by some of my responsibility.

All my work must be certified with very small tolerances of about 0.01 millimetres (0.00039 inches)

This entire story, not to be conceited of curriculum, but to see that I have some experience in technology.

I guess you could call me anything ….except fool , but here I have been insulted twice by Voltar, which I see, as doing a search, he just had made a clumsy copy of the Talon that should not have been published like it produced shame… and also has a weak gauge near the mouth of the shooter.

As a hobby I have the pneumatic weapons fire, I have several, Steyrs, Weilrauch, Air Arms etc. .. And all have a pressure gauge installed at one end of an aluminium tube much thinner than the Talon and fixed only to its own thread.

Obviously I did my own checks before putting my tank in use. I explained earlier that my tank is completely reliable, though not advise anyone to do so because I am not responsible for the work, possibly wrong, of others.

I hope you understand that all of this is because I tried to share information. I do not want anyone to suffer risks. Please do not make this mod.

Greetings to all…least one.

quote RiffRaff:

If a bottle manufacturer wanted to put a gauge in the bottle, they could put a neck on both ends. Thread a valve on one end, a gauge on the other.

Ah hell while they are at it, why not make the bottle Monte-Carlo cheekpiece shaped LOL?

Lol, nobody would be having this conversation if that was the case. Isint this the mods/machinist index?

If a bottle manufacturer wanted to put a gauge in the bottle, they could put a neck on both ends. Thread a valve on one end, a gauge on the other.

Ah hell while they are at it, why not make the bottle Monte-Carlo cheekpiece shaped LOL?

quote WalkonKing:

I wonder what a tank mfg would do if they came across a tank off the line that had a hole drilled into the bottom of it?

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Lol the bottles got a hole at one end, whats so bad about the other? (taking a logical approach). I guess if you reinforced the gauge thread by utilizing a stainless steel flange nut on the inside, you wouldn’t be too far wrong. If someone becomes a success with the mod (safe). Then it would make alot of nay sayers look silly lol. Dont you just love it when people say it cant be done and then you go and actually achive it lol. have fun brooding over it lol.

quote MM123522:

I know they hydro test EACH tank they sell.

When they test a tank, they put it into a tank of water, then they pressurize it to several times its working pressure. They have it in a tank of water to measure how much the tank expands as it is pressurized (by looking at how much water the tank displaces). If the tank has a weak spot, it will expand more than a normal tank.

They measure the water displacement before and after a pressurization/depressurization cycle – The closer the numbers the better, If the water level after is too high then it shows the tank has not returned to its original shape and indicates either metal fatigue or a leak of the fluid from inside the tank.

HA! You guys are cracking me up again!

quote WalkonKing:

Whos Fred?

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quote WalkonKing:

Whos Fred?

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YOU…….. it just ryhmed….. πŸ™‚

Whos Fred?

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Voltar is right!
I am an engineer (electrical not mechanical, but I still know some stuff) and I know that its dangerous to experiment with high pressure vessels.

I am certain that Catalina does EXTENSIVE testing on a newly designed tank to make sure there is ample striength.

I know they hydro test EACH tank they sell.

When they test a tank, they put it into a tank of water, then they pressurize it to several times its working pressure. They have it in a tank of water to measure how much the tank expands as it is pressurized (by looking at how much water the tank displaces). If the tank has a weak spot, it will expand more than a normal tank. So they test all the variables (defects, materials, wall thickness, cracks, etc) at the same time. These guys know exactly what they are doing.

You just cant fool around with drilling holes in a tank without doing extensive testing, no matter who is doing it and “getting away with it”.

Guys, play it safe!!!

Mark

quote WalkonKing:

I wonder what a tank mfg would do if they came across a tank off the line that had a hole drilled into the bottom of it?

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now that says it all!!! πŸ™‚ well said Fred!

cannot believe we are still on about this πŸ™‚ 😯 πŸ™„

not about to change my opinion on tank mutilation and AZ is in the same boat.

I wonder what a tank mfg would do if they came across a tank off the line that had a hole drilled into the bottom of it?

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