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Rear tank gauge

Hi All,

First time here…

Reading some posts over the last couple of days, learning and having fun simultaneously, I decided to tell also my experiences.

I think that for a PCP tank, a gauge is a must.

Although I have used the gauge mounted in the neck of the bottle, it does not pleasing me πŸ™„ for two main reasons:

1ΒΊ The gauge in the bottle neck is very small, and difficult to read (and the useful zone of reading even more) and I believe that it is not accurate enough.

2ΒΊ I dont like the the asymmetric protuberance of the gauge in the bottle neck turning around while I screw the tank on. I see it fragile and dangerous if it receives a blow.

Then I decided to mount a real good gauge in the only position that is possible: the bottom of the bottle.

To do it, is indispensable to do drill a hole in the thank ( this is forbiden in some countries), but as a experiment I decided to take the risk, but with the due precautions of safety .Please note that I donΒ΄t say to anybody to do that.

The first thing of all, to locate a suitable gauge. In my case I had to order it do, since I did not find what was searching in the shops of pneumatic and hydraulics.
In two weeks they made a gauge of 40 mm of outside diameter and 250 Bar on a large scale, with a rear thread of 1/8 G and 11mm length:

After, measure and verify the thickness of the bottle bottom wall,mesuring the outside and after the inside, I found that the wall thickness is 7 mm. More than enough for my purposes.

Afterwards, centre the tank on the lathe as best as possible and drill and thread the wall of the bottle….Yes, as natural as it sound , a hole in the bottom. πŸ˜€
For cutting the thread I help my self with a little drop of cutting fluid.


Nevertheless I do not want to allow that the whole pressure of the tank should push on the threads of the gauge and I decided to install a nut from the interior to hold safely the gauge. It has also an O ring to avoid leaks: πŸ˜‰


I had to do also the special key for this nut:

To install the nut inside the tank with the special key, was tricky and difficult due to the narrow space, and especially because you work blindly!! πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•

Once installed the gauge and its nut, I protected the whole assemble with a cover of aluminium specially designed to embrace the tank and to protect the gauge of possible shock and blows.



In addition it gives more resistance to the whole set. And it gives me the confidence of not having the gauge sticked into my shoulder.

Before installing it, I tried that the gauge fits very nicely inside its new housing:

Once quite mounted, the test-proof of pressure was satisfactory, I sprayed the tank rear with soapy water,charged the bottle very slowly, no bubbles at all, and for 20 days I left the tank loaded on 200 bar without losing only one bar of pressure. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Already I have neither to count pellets nor do calculations simply I begin to shooting in 185 bar and finish on 100 bar. With good consistency of speed. I also have a good control of the presure while charging from the scuba. 8)

At the same time as I began this project, also I did an anatomical butt adjustable in length and height to do more ergonomic the set. Also it protect the glass gauge when not in use.


The screws that hold the support of the butt to the bottle are nylon pointed, to not damage or to create points of pressure on the surface of the tank

And this way there stays the whole set mounted and ready to shoot.:

Postscript
I do not recommend to anybody to do the same thing that I have done, since this is potentially dangerous specially if you dont have the proper tools….And knowledge

Each one calculates his own risk and do in consequence

Hope you like it

Mods/Machinists

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Perhaps we should spend a little more energy in search / rebut negative and positive solutions or try to argue whether it can leak air, with realistic data or experience rather than mere impressions.

Xaloc, it takes time to gauge the thinking and in the end it succeeded to put in an excellent manner and instead of enjoying this work …

good cheer πŸ˜‰ πŸ™„

Understood
πŸ™‚ I hope we can continue without incident, only with the technical aspects and fun .. πŸ˜€

quote :

Nobody has called him stupid

Actually, Tanner did in his very first post on this board.

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Last edited by Tanner on Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:38 pm; edited 1 time in total

As you can see he edited it about an hour after I posted. Im sure he was just defending you but you can do that without calling someone stupid. Im glad he removed it. It makes his post more credible.

quote :

If do you need a completely regulated, high precision you need this:

Nah, I like modding my SS. For me its more about modding it myself than the gun.

quote WalkonKing:

….. Voltar aka Walter is a fine craftsman …….

Good to hear that he is a good technician, I thought that he was a troll… πŸ˜• … πŸ˜€

quote Shadoh:

Anyway, Walter is a grumpy bastard but in general seems to know his stuff. He, like everyone here has his own opinions. You dont have to agree with him but calling him stupid isnt the way to go IMO.

Nobody has called him stupid, but he called me fool, which here is a great offense. 😑

Voltar gave me no argument, just insult. 😯

In any case I hope we can continue to share ideas in good atmosphere without grievances. I hope… πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

quote Shadoh:

Personally, I think it looks great. I had a regulator idea that went in the back…..

If do you need a completely regulated, high precision you need this:

A Steyr LG 110 FT With a HW 100 24” long barrel, or the Steyr version of .22 high power. I made lots of modifications and silencers, also for Condors and talon SS

I have some, diferents calibres and powers:

Much more precise than the talon, and wiht gauge… 8)

quote WalkonKing:

Ah hummm….

Now Voltar is full of opinions and that is saying it nicely. I must say, and maybe some of you don’t know this, Voltar aka Walter is a fine craftsman and has built many a PCP rifle and he knows his shit inside and out when it comes to building airguns and metal working.

So while his comment was to be expected from those who know him, it is only from his experience that he makes such a comment.

Harumph! Well said! AKULA

I understand the fears of people in the high pressure, but are exaggerated, we must have respect but not fear, is simple matter of logic.
As I said, pressure gauges simply threaded and resists any pressure alone with the threads of the screw, the pump, hose, all easily withstand more than 300 bar, tank of Fiberglass 200 and 300 bar = resist! http://www.pomona-airguns.com

Almost all deposits with pressure gauges have an opening in front (for the valve) and one back (for the gauge)

And why not break or explode, in fact a small tank (thin) has more tension in the materials, with the same pressure has less amount of material that “dilates”
If the deposit had an excess pressure would break for his valve rupture, the worst that can happen … that the valve or manometer break out fired because the thread, this is very difficult, in this case it is absolutely impossible because there is a nut for behind.

And to eliminate myths, never, never have been given if a deposit to exploit, never!, (Only one case to be filled with oxygen, exploded) some bottles of diving has been filled to bursting and have opened a channel, without explosions and fired without leaving as a missile, simply escapes the air.

Also, Voltar/Walter isnt worried about the pressure gauge leaking or exploding. He is concerned that the tank itself has been compromised and could rupture over time since its structure has been weakened.

Personally, I think it looks great. I had a regulator idea that went in the back instead of the through the front but set it aside due to concerns about the tank. It sure would make things easier if we knew for sure that it could be done safely.

Anyway, Walter is a grumpy bastard but in general seems to know his stuff. He, like everyone here has his own opinions. You dont have to agree with him but calling him stupid isnt the way to go IMO.

Ah hummm….

Now Voltar is full of opinions and that is saying it nicely. I must say, and maybe some of you don’t know this, Voltar aka Walter is a fine craftsman and has built many a PCP rifle and he knows his shit inside and out when it comes to building airguns and metal working.

So while his comment was to be expected from those who know him, it is only from his experience that he makes such a comment.

If he would have responded in any other way, we would check his temperature to see if he was ill πŸ˜›

Is amazing, is a magnificent work, Xaloc, a work of art.

Voltar_1, ΒΏHow many deposits with PCP manometer ‘ve seen in your life?
you should see the deposits of Feinwerkbau P70, or Walther, are infinitely more slender thick, very very light,and.. and some work (with gauge) to 300 bar (4350 PSI)!

I have seen pressure gauges, with machines much greater pressures,
only adding in its thread teflΓ³n
Only the thread that must withstand the pressure gauge (250 bar)
undoubtedly is one of the safest connections I’ve seen.

Voltar_1, you do not have arguments or knowledge, Xaloc is a craftsman who works for the tenth of millimeter, You only have to see the screws, parts, adjustable butt, and finishing, Xaloc works “quality” ……..LEARNING πŸ˜‰

But if I am wrong … will know when you hear the explosion from Spain πŸ˜†

and what you see on the news of CNN (International Channel)

Akula,

Unfortunatly it seems you cant –

quote Xaloc:

please realize that I do not sell this system, I did it for me, and tell you this as a possible improvement of the existing bottle and to share ideas, and who knows and can do it, could have a reference or new point of view.
But it is not something that I offered as a service, besides is not cheap, it is very laborious and I do not think that thrifty compensated. Just as a hobbie.

Maybe you could print out Xaloc’s pictures, find a Naval machinery shop and bribe a machinist (while also making note of your rank perhaps) ?

Xaloc; Okay, I’m convinced I won’t blow off the right side of my body by using your product. You’ve proven to me to be a first class engineer and machinist.

Where do I buy your incrdible new inovation. AKULA

There are two things I can think of that would vastly improve the rifle; a pressure-gauge, and a secondary reservoir that would supply the exact same amount of air for every shot. The biggest disadvantage with this type of rifle is it’s inconsistency and lack of a way to know how much air-pressure is available at any given moment. It looks like Xaloc has the gauge covered; once I’ve got my lathe I’m going to have a go at the reservoir (soon as I’ve sold my bike I’ll have the cash to get started).

LOL…. You tell em’ Xaloc!!! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

quote Voltar_1:

I have to ask why you would think this is a good idea

Not only my idea…..98% of air weapons manufacturers have gauges installed in their tanks ….Do you think they are fool too? ❓

Something, the weakest point of the tank is the disc of rupture that you have many times just in your face or your hand….Who is fool? 😯 😯 😯

The answer to your reproach are explained in my previous post, perhaps you’ve not understood. Maybe my English is not sufficiently correct, I hope to be understood, however my Spanish is very good….. πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

I design, manufacture and repair teams and mechanism up to 3 times the pressure that we use here for shooting, from many years ago, I do not need your inexperienced opinion to know what I have, or can, to do and what is safe or not. 8)

The only reason for which the Air Force or Gunpower suffers a lack of pressure gauge is economy I think…
❗ ❗ ❗

PS pronane es not air πŸ˜†

Oooppss.. repeated answer.

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