Stock seem loose..
Is there a way to snug the gun to the stock up so that the gun doesn’t seem to teeter totter in the sock? It doesn’t seem to effect the way the gun shoots, however when I am carrying it I noticed some play in it. I checked the bolt by the trigger guard and that seems snug I didn’t want to over tighten it so the bolt snaps off any thoughts ❓
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Which screw do you have? Mine is the really tiny allen set screw I know for a while they were a countersunk head type of screw. The non-set screw type may have been longer.
O.K. Mine left a distinct mark where it had hit the stock so i drilled a nice little hole for it. The rocking is gone since.
I checked the HST lock screw, it only hits the stock when it is almost falling out of the hole. When it is tight there are a couple of millimeters between it and the inletting.
My stock screw is plenty short.
So I found some tubing and wrapped it in sand paper and went at the high spots that touch the air tube and presto! The gap is now perfect and doesn’t close when I tighten the action into the stock!!!
I taped everything off and sealed the wood with some lacquer.
Don”t try this at home kiddies!!! 
The air tube touches the raised section of the stock.
The air tube is free floating in the action.
Since the air tube free floats it allows the action to snug down tight.
The action makes the mark when it is screwed down tight in the stock.
If the action is not screwed down tight it rocks back and forth since it only has one screw and the air tube hits the stock.
If I shim at the mark to keep the gap between the air tube and the shroud the same the action rocks in the stock (but the gap looks even).
The Lelya has two stock screws, one in the front and one in the back and this problem does not exist. The Leyla is a miniature version of the Matador (except for the loading port area).
SirVille, not sure if you were commenting on the video, but my stock screw is not too long, it is perfect. The video is without any screws into the stock. It shows the free floating air tube and how much the action sinks into the stock when the back end of the action is sitting on inletting. That movement in the second part shows how the air tube is moved by the raised portions of the stock in order for the front part of the action to seat properly.
Demp223 has it right, if the raised portion of the stock is too high when compared with the spot the action hits the bottom of the inletting it will make the air tube hit the shroud. Where did you post go Demp?!
I had that very problem (tube touching the shroud once the screw was properly tightened) and in my case it was a combination of too long a screw and the tiny,little allen lock screw (for HT adjuster) that made contact with the stock. I put a washer under the head on the stock screw (actually now i have just cut that screw 1.5mm shorter) and drilled a recess for the HT adjuster lock screw and both the rocking and the tube/barrel contact was gone. Go figure … :popcorn:
FINNALLY found the video I was talking about….I want to do this to my matador.
I have a question:
How is it possible that this mark (green arrow) is there?
If the screw is to long, it should not be there.
If the stock rests on the air tube it should not be there eighter?
Regards, Robert.
That is the compression I am talking about.
The air tube is not strong /rigid enough to be any part of the contact area holding the action/stock together.
My Matador has a soft contact pad one rib forward where the air tube makes contact with the stock.
If the stock compresses at the trigger guard screw , the action pulls down into the stock but the air tube cannot follow closing the gap between the air tube and shroud.
This same action lift the rear of the action in the stock.
The Matador could benefit from more stock/action contact area, more evenly spread out between the front and rear and a means of tightening both front and rear…..without causing flex of course.
Contemplated adding a pillar to mine.
Veerkracht,
The air tube touches the raised section of the stock.
The air tube is free floating in the action.
Since the air tube free floats it allows the action to snug down tight.
The action makes the mark when it is screwed down tight in the stock.
If the action is not screwed down tight it rocks back and forth since it only has one screw and the air tube hits the stock.
If I shim at the mark to keep the gap between the air tube and the shroud the same the action rocks in the stock (but the gap looks even).
The Lelya has two stock screws, one in the front and one in the back and this problem does not exist. The Leyla is a miniature version of the Matador (except for the loading port area).
SirVille, not sure if you were commenting on the video, but my stock screw is not too long, it is perfect. The video is without any screws into the stock. It shows the free floating air tube and how much the action sinks into the stock when the back end of the action is sitting on inletting. That movement in the second part shows how the air tube is moved by the raised portions of the stock in order for the front part of the action to seat properly.
Demp223 has it right, if the raised portion of the stock is too high when compared with the spot the action hits the bottom of the inletting it will make the air tube hit the shroud. Where did you post go Demp?!
Hi
I have a question:
How is it possible that this mark (green arrow) is there?
If the screw is to long, it should not be there.
If the stock rests on the air tube it should not be there eighter?
Regards, Robert.
Yes exactly…like a horror movie…lol
That´s since the screw that holds the action is too long and precces on the air tube “cradle”. I use a washer on that screw to make it shorter and i also drill a little recess for the HST lock screw (that tiny little one) since it´s the only thing touching the wood back there. This allows the whole hammer housing to rest on the stock. This made a significant improvement on accuaracy on my gun.
That rocking back-and-forth is annoying. Kinda like old,flexing stairs or something.
If I shim between the trigger link housing and the inletting (where the stock screw passes through the stock) the gap between the air tube and the shroud stays normal (no longer gets smaller as I tighten the stock bolt).
But the result is the back end of the action is loose and will begin to move up and down.
Here is a video. The first part I am gently squeezing the air tube and the shroud together (at the muzzle)and the gap is changing. In the second part I set the action in the stock and did not screw it down. When I squeeze the action to the stock (at the rail) so the bottom of the trigger housing contacts the stock (like it would if I used the bolt) you can see the gap change.
This shows that the stock is causing the air tube to move up in the collar/cradle and change the gap between the tube and the shroud.
Here is a drawing showing what happens at the raised inlet areas when the stock screw is tightened and the air tube contacts the stock.
This is what happens to my rifle that has the properly sized stock bolt… The dimensioned areas show the decrease in the gap between the air tube and the shroud.
Not to scale but it gets the idea across.
Check this out…
Here is an elevation of the cradle part (quick and not exactly to scale).
The red arrow shows the force of the stock screw on the cradle part where the horizontal screws hold it on the trigger link housing.
It would be totally unusual for the stock screw to deform the cradle area where the tube sits if the stock bolt was to be tightened onto the part where the two horizontal screws attach the cradle. Yes? 😕
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No , i have the same tiny allen screw on mine. I know some have received their guns with that countersink type (actually the same exact screw found on the both sides of the “butt plug” behind the breeze) but mine is with that tiny allen. And it was touching the stock and left a distinct mark there.