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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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What do you guys think the three dimples are on the top of the barrel?

Project68, Dman explained it well.

I took a picture on the breech/barrel mounting part. The barrel is inserted into the breech and the top setscrew fixes the barrel.

Regards,
Endo

quote Project68:

Great info Endo and thank you for the education. This bullpup has really got my interest in the shorty platform.

Could you please further explain/show how the barrel is mounted to breech? Thanks in advance.

The barrel slides into the breech and is locked down by that set screw from the top. the barrel butts against that brass thimble which houses the ring for the probe.

Great info Endo and thank you for the education. This bullpup has really got my interest in the shorty platform.

Could you please further explain/show how the barrel is mounted to breech? Thanks in advance.

Got some time to open up the lever housing of the Mutant. In the picture (top view), you will see the hammer, hammer spring, and 3-shining plates. Plates 1 and 2 are movable. The magazine indexing is operated by those 2 moving plates and the spring. When you pull the lever (i.e., zero force against Plate 1), the spring will push back Plate 1, which is linked to Plate 2 and moves it leftward. There is a tiny protrusion in Plate 2 linking to the magazine. When Plate 2 moves leftward, the magazine will turn crosswise to advance the magazine. When you close the probe, the shaft of the lever will push against Plate 1 to force Plate 2 move rightward. After taking the shot, you pull the lever again, the same shaft will pull the hammer and cock. Then Plate 2 moves leftward again to advance the magazine. This cycling mechanism is really simple, precise, and smooth.

In R3, the bolt probe has 2 o-rings to seal the chamber. Different from the R3, there is one o-ring inside the chamber of the Mutant. When you chamber the pellet, you will experience 3 resistances. First resistance is the head passing through the o-ring, second is the skirt passing the o-ring, third is the entering of the pellet into the bore. It appears that the o-ring not only seals the probe but also helps the consistency of chambering the pellet.

eelect, that is a good idea, but I don’t have a smaller tank that can make a significant pressure drop for volume estimation. You need to have a very accurate and sensitive pressure gauge in the tank in order to precisely calculate the tube volume.

I was cleaning my Edgun toolbox and saw the degas tool that Oldgoat (Tedd) made. I had trouble to degas my R3 and Tedd was very kind to send me one of his creations. This thing is huge compare to the one for the Mutant, which only a flat-head screw insert is needed. The R3 “degas tube” was sleeved a hex screw inside and a female thread that let you screw the “tube” onto the R3 pin nut, then you will need to use a hex key to turn the screw inside the “tube” to open the pin valve for air release, after taking out the action and removing the hammer assembly. The Mutant utilizes its own HST screw to push the “insert” against the hammer, then open the valve for air release. It takes < 2 minutes to degas the Mutant.

The best way to test efficiency is fill both guns to say 230 bar. Close valve on bottle and shoot 70 or so shots. Then take note how much air you take from bottle to refill. That would best be done with a guppy bottle.

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Xbangu,
Yes, I have been thinking of dissecting the Taipan. I have made a little degas “tool” so I can open up her gut. It is a little brass screw I found in my toolbox. I wrapped up the threads with a duct tap to the size that I can insert it snuggly to the back hole of the hammer spring tension adjuster. So, the tension adjuster becomes the “degaser”. I removed the spring, insert the “degaser” to the adjuster hole and gradually screwed it in – it works flawlessly. 😛
Now, I am waiting for the reg tester to come from the cold north where dman lives.

Regards,
Endo

A: flat-head screw; B: threads are wrapped with a small piece of duct tape; C: HST adjuster; D: the “degaser”

Endo-

Keep us update with all the tunes which you will do. Look like everything about the Taipan are a step or two better than the rest of the bullpups. The stock is not that bad, I think it’s better looking than all other bullpups beside Edgun & Cricket skeleton. If they make a sleeve for the back end of the barrel like the Edgun, they will have the look and functions.

Xbangu, if it were 220 cc, then the air efficiency of my Mutant would be at the same category as of R3. Yes, the Mutant is mine now, dman has received my $ yesterday. :biggrinn: Both Matador and Taipan are very air efficient – hard to beat.

http://forum.airguns.bg/index.php?threads/tajpan.5690/

this forum said the Taipan 2, has tube volume of 220cm if I read it right. Anyone know if the Taipan 2 and the Taipan Mutant have the same tube volume?

Good stuff there Pippo, a lot to absorb…..

IMHO the job of the regulator is to fill the chamber of regulated air at the exact pressure the reg is set and this consistently. (end of its function)

The shotcount and power you can get depends mainly on the volume of the chamber of regulated air, the pressure of regulated air, the porting, valve and hammer/spring assembly.

The tuning and efficiency of the latter components probably will give the max and min SD between shots depending probably mainly on the valve efficiency and HST setting.

OK, concerning power also barrel inner diameter, barrel length and choke come into the equation.

The efficiency of the regulator itself could be easily checked with Imppu’s “pressure gauges/regulated air chamber” devices.

At the end, if the regulator works fine at the pressure he is requested to work, he doesn’t have any longer influence on shotcount 😀

:2cents:

quote Zonk:

Hell of a write up you should be a writer, or maybe you are??

Dman, my address is coming to you so you can send me your gun to play with………………………………. 😆 😆

You know what’s fucked up…. I don’t even have a mutant anymore…

I sent mine to him. And now I’m gonna have to board a plane to texas . I got your address endo! !!! :biggrinn:

All jokes aside.. endo should be a writer he does do a great write up!!

Hell of a write up you should be a writer, or maybe you are??

Dman, my address is coming to you so you can send me your gun to play with………………………………. 😆 😆

Thanks endothelium job well done.
The muntant is one hell of a gun.
Mike

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