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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

Taipan Air Rifles

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Sweet :8:

I have weighted the Bushnell scope, 26.32 oz (746 g), if added the sunshade it is what has been advertised (27 oz). Unfortunately, both scopes have 12.9 mils for windage and ~19 mils for elevation. This is inconsistent with 24 mils turret adjustment as advertised. The yardage marks in parallax/focus knob is off in one of the scopes. The other one is very accurate against my range finder. I have talked to the customer service and she asked me to send it back for checking. Bushnell has lifetime warranty for Elite scopes. I like the bright optics and the G2 reticle, so I just packed those scopes with a repair request form (describing the problems) and send it to the repair department. She emailed me a UPS shipping label promptly – great service so far. The turn around time is 4 weeks. We will see how it goes…

Cricket, I haven’t forgotten to take pictures for the reticle at the lowest and the highest powers… will do it after getting the scopes back. My impression is that the crosshair is too thin at the lowest power (6x). I never use that low power in my application anyway. At the highest power (24x), the crosshair is certainly thicker, comparing with my HK4030, but it is acceptable (not covering up 0.25” target dot at 50 yard). I like the center (0.5 mil) crosshair, which is very thin even at 24x. This may be one of the “disadvantages” of changing thickness of the crosshair for the FFP scope, if there are any others. Since this is a mil-mil scope, it is very easy to calculate/correct the elevation/windage at any power – just love it.

HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Endo

Did you confirm the advertised weight? Sometimes I find that weight to be horribly off reality (hawke)

quote Cricket:

I know what you mean about the turrets, these were FFP right? Could you perhaps take a pic at max and min magnification? Would like to see if it gets too thick/small. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Cricket, yes, these are FFP scopes, I didn’t bring the camera/phone adapters with me. I will do it after returning home. My impression is that at 20x the crosshair lines are slightly thinner in Hawke. At lower powers, the Bushnell crosshair is thin, clear and visible. At ~12x, it is perfect to my eyes.

quote Rowdy:

WOW Those are nice looking for a bullpup set for sure. What is the magnification and size? The big wheel should not be a problem. FFP scope?
Man the oal of that scope is really something.

Rowdy, it is FFP, 6-24×50, 765g/27oz, 34.3cm/13.5”. The size is perfect for the standard Mutant. I have a UTG 10cm wheel on my old UTG scope. Will see if it fits.

WOW Those are nice looking for a bullpup set for sure. What is the magnification and size? The big wheel should not be a problem. FFP scope?

Man the oal of that scope is really something.

I know what you mean about the turrets, these were FFP right? Could you perhaps take a pic at max and min magnification? Would like to see if it gets too thick/small. What are your thoughts on this matter?

You bet! Cricket. :8: Happy New Year.

Opened the boxes yesterday and here are some pictures. It is much brighter and sharper than HK4030 and SWFA SS 20x. The turret’s click-sound is not distinctive in Bushnell compared with SWFA and Hawke, but you can “feel” the click. All dials are very smooth. It is ~2” shorter than HK4030 and ~0.5” shorter than SWFA. My Mutants should be very happy, at least I am. Now, I need to search for some “big side-wheels” for yardage. 😉

Opening Box:
Bushnell Scope:

Bushnell vs Hawke:

Woah, damn…. You gotta Love new scopes :8:

Merry christmas!

Here are the Christmas present for the Mutants.
Will take more pictures later.
Have a great Christmas to you all.
Regards,
Endo

Mike, Vortex Viper (PST 6-24×50, FFP) was one of my choices, but it has minimum focus/parallax ~50 yd, which does not quite fit my application. Viper has zero stop, which Bushnell doesn’t have. I believe both scopes have excellent optics, but here are the reasons that I decided to give Bushnell a try. I like G2 MRAD reticle better than the Viper ERB-1 MRAD reticle (picture extracted from http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/custserv_popup.jsp?pageName=ReticleVortexPSTs41650erb1MRAD) and the Viper ERB-2C reticle is too busy for me. If one looks at the G2 reticle carefully, the crosshair lines near the center (within 0.5 mil-dot) is thinner (see picture), this is excellent for the target shooting. The multiple thin hair lines at the edges are 0.1-mil spacing that can be used for ranging distance. The Bushnell is slightly heavier but ~2” shorter than the Vortex. Bushnell fits my needs with less cost.

Elmer’s comments are consistent with what I have read from various scope forums. I haven’t seen the scopes yet. Will find out the quality of the mechanics and optics very soon.

Regards,
Endo

ERB-1 Reticle

G2DMR Reticle close look

quote iride:

Man for that kind of money you could have bought a viper,
Just saying.
To each his own.
Mike

MTC Viper or Vortex Viper? I’ve owned this exact Bushnell LRS model in the past. The glass on it is noticeable better than my Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10×32. If you’re looking for a FFP scope with very good turrets and very good glass for under $1K, the Bushnell LRHS is hard to beat. I’ve gone through my fair share of scopes and they get exponentially pricier.

Seasons Greetings to one and all! :smilen:
Darryl

Man for that kind of money you could have bought a viper,
Just saying.
To each his own.
Mike

That G2 reticle sure looks good. And that was a clever way to mark the parallax on your SWFA. I don’t ever use those markings but if I did I would copy you on that

Wow, fancy scopes you guys have on your Mutants!

Mine only wears a basic Clearidge RM 3-9×32 “little scope”.

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