Talon accuracy problem … Help :(
I’ve just taken my Talon out for a shoot with my new chrony
This was 12 shots from 30m, and it was a bit windy. But that shouldn’t have any effect when i’m only shooting 30m?
I had higher expectations for that choked LW barrel .. Any suggestions on why my gun is shooting lousy? Pellets was 18 grain JSB exacts.
The first pellet i fired from a 200 bar fill went 880 FPS, then the next one went 870FPS ( ? ) and then it kinda settled at 870-860. The 15 shot i fired rated 851 FPS.
I was shooting with my harris prone bipod mounted, and i may have pulled 2 or 3 shots, but it should have grouped better than that ..
The first shot went a little high (scope not zeroed properly), then the 2nd shot was a bit to the left from the 1st, and the 3rd was a bit to the left from the 2nd .. Sit it started out making a string to the left .. the 4th shot was right in the same hole as the 3rd though, and then it just shot around the 3rd and 4th shot, with one low. 😕
Can it have something to do with my scope mounts being temporarily very low, so i have to press my cheek against the Air tank or something ..
Help .. I want my talon to shot well! 😥
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Great info and interesting….I think you’re gonna like the rifle once you
shoot it a few times….I have mine shooting off a regulator and can
shoot 5 shot one hole groups at 65yds so be patient and have fun,
the rifle is capable…
I actually won the danish championship twice 😆
Wow! congrats on the championship….You may also want to try
shooting JSB 15.9-16.0gr pellets…They seem to like the speed
that a Talon will shoot them…Can’t wait to see your groups once
you get the gun figured out….Stretch some out for us.
And feel free to give us some pointers. I’ll take a single spaced 30
page synopsis on “How to win the Danish Championship”. I can’t
get enough of this stuff.
Thx Thx 8)
It’s 2 years ago now i’m afraid .. I don’t know why, but after i won the second championship, i started shooting without the heart.. It may sound silly, but if you’re heart isn’t in it, then you might aswell stop it.. It just went downhill from that second title i’m afraid .. 😥
Now i’m into Clay pigeon shooting, and it’s going surpringly well, especially when you take in consideration that i’ve only tried it 3 times total .. 8)
About them little pointers; Well, i’m not going to write a big synopsis, but i can sure tell you a bit about it:
When you’re shooting the 6,5 x 55 cal. (Which has always been my favorite discipline) you’re shooting at 200m. The bullseye is 3-5 cm wide (i don’t really recall, i must admit) and the shots count inwards, which means, that if the bullet hits the line of the bullseye, it counts as a bullseye.
You shoot 15 counting rounds, and you have an unlimited amount of ZeroIn rounds. You use something called a Hole-sight .. (Yes, a very clumsy and stupid direct translation, but i don’t know an english word for the device .. 😳 ) Which looks like this:
This is also a rifle equlant (spelling?) to the rifle i was shooting .. It’s a Sauer 200 STR caliber 6,5 x 55. I usually fired Swedish Norma Golden Target ammunition:
Or – if i could afford it .. 8) Damn these rounds are shit expensive … But they hit very True! not much of a dirrenfe from the Golden Target round though .. I think it’s more a mental thing 8) But they are more mild against the barrel, and preserves the rifling be cause of the Moly-coating :
About the shooting; In my discipline, “Youth shooter” You were shooting prone with a sling to assist in holding the rifle.
This is a few videos on danish, but they will give you an idea of the shooting postures that were used. (these videos show the .22 Lr, but the 6,5 x 55 is aexactly the same, just with a different gun and a farther distance)
http://www.skytten.dk/Default.aspx?ID=953
And about them pointers .. Phew .. this post has gotten pretty long .. 8) ;
Well .. Not that much to say – everyone can learn the shooting signatures after some practice – and this may sound silly – but you kinda have to become “one” with your rifle to shoot really well .. Everyone can chamber a round, hold their breath and get a good shot placement. But to do it 15 times in a row demands some skill 8)
I’m sorry for my lousy english, but i think you guys are capable of understanding it 8) Not everyone is born in the states i’m afraid .. Even though i sometimes wanted to 😥
I actually won the danish championship twice 😆
Wow! congrats on the championship….You may also want to try
shooting JSB 15.9-16.0gr pellets…They seem to like the speed
that a Talon will shoot them…Can’t wait to see your groups once
you get the gun figured out….Stretch some out for us.
And feel free to give us some pointers. I’ll take a single spaced 30
page synopsis on “How to win the Danish Championship”. I can’t
get enough of this stuff.
And BTW, i’ve been shooting competition sports here in Denmark with .22 rimfire, and 6,5 x 55 swedish for 7 years .. I do know something about signatures, and i always pull up my left leg for an example (I’m a leftie).. I just don’t have too much experience in airgun shooting yet. 😕
I actually won the danish championship twice 😆
Being shot from two different guns and seeing the same pattern should have told you something.
Stringing patterns are caused by inconsistent shooting holds. You explained part of the problem yourself; you are having to force your eye to the scope due to low mounts.
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RiffRaff is paying more attention than I am…He is right about those shot patterns…
It is virtually impossible for 2 different rifles to print the same pattern…
That looks more like your shooting signature…
You just need to shoot both rifles more and find what works best.
I had that problem when I started shooting and still do at times when
I am not applying the proper technics. I spent countless hours trying
to tweek the rifle to make it more accurate when I should have
been using that time to make myself more consistant… 😳
Oh yea…Those are nice groups at that distance…Any size varmint
should be afraid..
Yes i may have to work with my shooting signature, and taken in to consideration that i’ve only shot around 30-40 shots with this gun, it may be OK .. 😳
I’m afraid it’s just me who expected spot on accuracy out of the box ! 🙄 😀
What erratic fps??
10 fps spread is good!!!
Will make a gnats whisker difference on POI
First shot was 880 FPS. Next shot was around 870.
Then after those 10-12 shots, the FPS was 860-850. And that was only after 10 shots?
Being shot from two different guns and seeing the same pattern should have told you something.
Stringing patterns are caused by inconsistent shooting holds. You explained part of the problem yourself; you are having to force your eye to the scope due to low mounts.
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RiffRaff is paying more attention than I am…He is right about those shot patterns…
It is virtually impossible for 2 different rifles to print the same pattern…
That looks more like your shooting signature…
You just need to shoot both rifles more and find what works best.
I had that problem when I started shooting and still do at times when
I am not applying the proper technics. I spent countless hours trying
to tweek the rifle to make it more accurate when I should have
been using that time to make myself more consistant… 😳
Oh yea…Those are nice groups at that distance…Any size varmint
should be afraid..
😆
What erratic fps??
10 fps spread is good!!!
Will make a gnats whisker difference on POI
Yes i may have to wait with judging the accuracy until i receive my new scope and mounts … 😳
But what about the erratic velocities? 😯
If you are shooting with a bipod off a bench, put something soft under the feet of the bipod. This allows the feet to slip and you won’t stress it. A bipod on a hard surface also tends to jump alot when you fire. I put a folded blanket under the feet. It makes a difference…. 😀
Nothing is wrong with either of those 2 groups.
Being shot from two different guns and seeing the same pattern should have told you something.
Stringing patterns are caused by inconsistent shooting holds. You explained part of the problem yourself; you are having to force your eye to the scope due to low mounts.
Another contributor could be the bipod. It is nearly impossible to get both legs with the same pressure being applied to them. When you line up a shot, you always have to move the crosshair into position, but the legs on the tripod usually stay in the same place and are forced to twist slightly to allow the rifle to move. Every shot this routine is repeated, but the stress on the bipod legs is rarely the same each shot.
Bipods are great in the feild, but off the bench they are a crapshoot at best.
Good stuff with a twist of humor Langnasen 😆
When you fire the weapon it moves. Maybe not much, being a PCP, but still enough to make a difference depending how you are stressing it. The bipod can do it, if it’s kinked enough. The way you hold it can do it…too tight or not firmly enough (mine doesn’t seem to like being given it’s head completely).
In the prone position, try firing with nothing more than one hand holding the pistol-grip (gently but firmly) and the other balled up underneath and supporting the base of the grip. If it still fires too loose bring the butt very gently into your shoulder, going a little more firm with each shot until you get the grouping you want. And ensure the bipod is sitting even and un-stressed.
Going for a high magnification on the scope helps too, as you can more easily see the slightest movement and that helps you focus on eliminating it (few breaths, exhale and hold and make sure you’re not laying in such a position as to transmit your heart-beat to the weapon).
You have to ensure your line of sight through the scope is perfect. Move your eye around and find the cloudy/black edges of the image, then you can more readily find the center.
Don’t anticipate the shot as you squeeze the trigger. Pretend you are squeezing onto an un-cocked weapon (mental trick).
Ensure your scope is adequately mounted (done up tight but not stressed by the mounts pulling it slightly out of whack and possibly disturbing the internal mechanisms).
Try and think of the weapon as an organism rather than a mechanism. That sounds odd, but I find it helps. Hold it like it can feel it and try to make it ‘comfortable’.
Then shoot thousands of rounds until you know it backwards. If you’re still not happy with your groups buy a shotgun or take up knitting. 😉
Try to keep the crosshairs on the bull until you hear the shot hit
the target..My gun switches a little when the hammer hits. If I don’t
follow through with the shot, I get a flier….
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shoot it a few times….I have mine shooting off a regulator and can
shoot 5 shot one hole groups at 65yds so be patient and have fun,
the rifle is capable…
Regulator? Inform me 8)
And i really hope i will get her to shot .. mine won’t shot any 1 hole groups .. 😥