The new Talon P
I received an e mail from AirForce today stating that the pistol will be shipping in limited quantitys by August 31 and the MSRP is $421.00. You can call in your order at 1877 247 4867 if you like.
Benson.
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By adjusting the tophat height you can get different velocities from the HiFlo valve. I don’t see a reason why the HiFlo valve won’t match or exceed the velocity of the direct flo valve…
You should easily be able to get the 38.5 & 43.5 grain pellets up to 900+ fps with a Condor bottle and valve. Something in your set up isn’t set properly if the hiflo valve isn’t pushing those pellets at higher than 800fps.
I think you need to check or actually run the numbers on the prices of the setup your talking about…
A TalonP is $400 a Condor tank and valve is $200 and a 24′ 25 caliber barrel is $185.
That is $785 for a shorter frame and one less stiffening section on the scope rail.
Unless you mean a short barreled TalonDor and then your only saving $17…
Obviously AF set this up so you couldn’t get ANYTHING for free. They have actually set it up so you pay more for a cobbled together TalonDor…
It would be better to buy a Condor and 12″ 25cal barrel at $617 for the rifle and $118 for the small barrel for a total of $735…
You’d actually be spending more money getting the Talon “pistol” to be a Condor without the Condor frame…
If you got the Condor you would have a 12″ and 24″ barreled Condor for $50 less and the 12″ barrel would be quieter than the TalonDor’P’…
Unless you want the “pistol” tank for some odd reason. Ten shots is weak sauce in my opinion. Sight in, shoot one group and you have to refill… 🙄 Why not just put an adapter on the valve that runs to a pigmee tank in your backpack, that’s a TRUE pistol.
What did someone say about the Rogue, “An answer to a question no one ever asked…”
Did AF really say a 22 caliber barrel wouldn’t work?!?!?!?!
If you’r looking for a stubby cheep, order the Talon-P and buy the High flow tank.
The stubby I put together was well over $600, and all I got was the Talon-P with a bigger tank. If I was using a hand pump, that small tank would sure look good to me, I shot my Discovery with a hand pump, and all I shot was ten shots and refilled, that way it was a lot easier and faster on my worn out hands 😀
Would I need an extra hammer weight to be able to use the high flow tank from my condor on the TalonP?
Thanks
does it seem to anyone that the pressure differential formed between the inside and od of the spring when compressed may aid efficiency by pushing the valve shut faster(lock time)? 😕
TagDagger’s idea keeps the air flow open from the tank and is essentially a fore runner to the Talon P Direct Flow valve.
Realize that when the spring on a stock valve is fully collapsed, there is no tank air heading to the valve stem, because the collapsed spring has sealed it off, only chamber air. To collapse a stock spring takes as little as .080 and possbily out to .140 (new vs. old) inches of valve travel.
Based on one’s Tophat setting, you are already causing this air restriction and probably did not realize it.
http://www.airarcher.com/air-archer-conversion-kit.html
Now your spillin’ the beans, after Guido came knocking on your door 😎
Now the delrin makes sense and I’m sure we can groove the older delrin the same way. The lowered port in the stem just let’s the air move to wehere it should as soon as it can.
Here is a pic of the TP valve ret. nut compared to the Condor…..
The condor valve spring retaining nut I just measure is 0.70″ long with a 0.10″ step… (not including the ‘nut’ part)
Wait a second… The only way this is going to work is a half height retaining nut. Right ?
Same Condor spring that sits flush with the bottom of the seal, not inside.
Thats all I got Boyz….gotta get back to work.
If you where to put the radius of those ports on the normal delrin piece it probably would give same performance effects.
Look at both delrin pieces. Compare where the spring would be and were the valve seats. All the extra at the back of the TALON P delrin piece is for show. The radius left on the delrin would give a bit better flow. Cut those radius on the standard one and it would be the same.
In fact the flow would be better on the stock delrin without all the extra nonsense of the Talon P valve
But the seat is longer than the hiflo valve and the springs are supposedly the same length… 😉
If the springs are the same length and the spring sits against the end of the elongated seat then the spring retention nut would fully compress the spring if screwed all the way in. 😯
Take a real close look at the size of the slots as it is around the area where you would imagine the spring seats against the delrin. Now imagine the size of the coil.
See what I mean, there must be some gap and that is half of the advantage of this Direct Flow design (the other half being the stem port).
If the spring sits inside the new seat, what’s the point? 😕
Tony – I would like to see a close up of the spring against the delrin so we can see how much opening there is with those grooves in the delrin
To avoid using a much larger diameter spring, and in keeping with mass production by using the same parts, it would seem the spring would fit inside the delrin. In that manner it would be the same length as the OEM on the standard valve. Side by side, the two parts seem to have the spring seat at the same length, one inside and the other outside.
Another thought, in looking at the new part, why is there a canted rim around the bottom where the new ports are? Does the new valve have two seats?
And why is the milled part of the valve stem, below the cross-hole, longer in the TalonP than the OEM?
Hoot
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By adjusting the tophat height you can get different velocities from the HiFlo valve. I don’t see a reason why the HiFlo valve won’t match or exceed the velocity of the direct flo valve…
You should easily be able to get the 38.5 & 43.5 grain pellets up to 900+ fps with a Condor bottle and valve. Something in your set up isn’t set properly if the hiflo valve isn’t pushing those pellets at higher than 800fps.
I think you need to check or actually run the numbers on the prices of the setup your talking about…
A TalonP is $400 a Condor tank and valve is $200 and a 24′ 25 caliber barrel is $185.
That is $785 for a shorter frame and one less stiffening section on the scope rail.
Unless you mean a short barreled TalonDor and then your only saving $17…
Obviously AF set this up so you couldn’t get ANYTHING for free. They have actually set it up so you pay more for a cobbled together TalonDor…
It would be better to buy a Condor and 12″ 25cal barrel at $617 for the rifle and $118 for the small barrel for a total of $735…
You’d actually be spending more money getting the Talon “pistol” to be a Condor without the Condor frame…
If you got the Condor you would have a 12″ and 24″ barreled Condor for $50 less and the 12″ barrel would be quieter than the TalonDor’P’…
Unless you want the “pistol” tank for some odd reason. Ten shots is weak sauce in my opinion. Sight in, shoot one group and you have to refill… 🙄 Why not just put an adapter on the valve that runs to a pigmee tank in your backpack, that’s a TRUE pistol.
What did someone say about the Rogue, “An answer to a question no one ever asked…”
Did AF really say a 22 caliber barrel wouldn’t work?!?!?!?!
If you’r looking for a stubby cheep, order the Talon-P and buy the High flow tank.
The stubby I put together was well over $600, and all I got was the Talon-P with a bigger tank. If I was using a hand pump, that small tank would sure look good to me, I shot my Discovery with a hand pump, and all I shot was ten shots and refilled, that way it was a lot easier and faster on my worn out hands 😀
Would I need an extra hammer weight to be able to use the high flow tank from my condor on the TalonP?
Thanks
When you get the talon-p they have the power wheel as tight as it will go, At least mi did. The Talon hamer alone weights in the 700 grain aeria, with the extra weight it weights in the 1000+ grain aeria. “Example” I can now shoot my Talon -p on 38 on the wheel and get the same results I used to get with the wheel torqued all way up. So in a nut shell IMO the weight $5 more will be a life saver on the spring, and you can easily get 50 Foot pds at the 38 level. So make it easy on the Parts by using parts that make it easy on the gun. Thats what I did and I have not ever had to even change an O-Ring on any of my guns to this day. 😀