The new Talon P
I received an e mail from AirForce today stating that the pistol will be shipping in limited quantitys by August 31 and the MSRP is $421.00. You can call in your order at 1877 247 4867 if you like.
Benson.
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Does anyone else see that the cross hole in the TalonP stem is located closer towards the delrin seat. The Condor stem is showing the hole cut almost totally on the cylindrical part of the stem and the TalonP stem has the hole cut partially into the chamfer (or taper) where it reduces to the diameter where the seat is pressed on.
It seems to me that this would weaken the stem and possibly make a point where the stem could bend a little more easily.
Hoot, is that how it works? I know the larger volume will provide more air at pressure for longer (more fills from a 88 cuft tank than a 44cuft tank at 4500 psi). Something is nagging me regarding wether this effects the force of the air released or not, but i’m glad to see someone posting the possible answer.
Does the spring fit into the new ported delrin seat instead of sitting on it?
or what it’s worth, here are the pics of the Extreme valve. Identical to the Condor in all respects as far as I can tell. I was unable to take the valve apart. But this might help someone….
Hoot
The only thing high pressure air responds to is the size of the opening from which it can depressurize. The tank can be any size, and filled to any psi, but if the valve opening is identical, the air will do the same thing every time.
Hoot
Okay that’s twice you’ve said something similar. Do this mean the TP will perform the same with a high flow condor tank? Wondering if the size of the TP tank matters in relation to the new valve. May be a stupid question, but does a smaller tank respond differently to air pressure than say the larger Condor tank? ❓
Hoot
That is a good design, where 4 holes are drilled at shallow angle from the sides intersecting at the base (or vice versa), then air flow is truely from within the core of the spring.
Had they butted the new Direct Flow spring to the bottom of the delrin, you would have the same airflow design.
So maybe a mod to the new Direct Flow is to find a fatter spring of the same rate in a shorter length, that will butt to the very bottom.
Tony – can you give us the length dimensions of the new delrin vs. the old ? Also OD of new delrin ? I’ll go to Century Springs website and size an equal rate spring.
If I understand Tony’s earlier comment about the spring being the same length then the spring fits up in the Direct Flow delrin, NOT butted to the end, so I still cannot see the advantage ?
I was thinking the same thing guys, then put it on the r&l valve or one modded similar.???????
that ought to send some lead.
It seems that would accomplish the same air flow as the modified direct flow.
Or am I missing something here…
Hoot
Great idea Hoot!
yes that will work fine as long as it does not break through to the stem bore.
Looking at Tony’s photos….wouldn’t it be very easy to cut, or dremel, two “channels” on either side of the bottom of the delrin, to say….half way up.
It seems that would accomplish the same air flow as the modified direct flow.
Or am I missing something here…
Hoot
Thanks Tony, that makes for a nice mod to regular valves.
The spring coils will not choke flow at all, gets them out of the flow path.
I like it.
Walter…..
Ah Ha.. Now I see. The springs are the same therefore the ability for air to flow from the inside of the spring to the outside is actually more restricted as the extended delrin covers the spring. I was thinking they used a short spring so the delrin ports were wide open to the center .
I’m confused as it seems that the overall flow from the tank side is resticted by both spring colis AND the ported cloak of the delrin 😕
How about a few pictures with both springs in place, from different angles up close to where they seat on the delrin.
Springs are the same as the Condor’s. If I ever get some time I will swap out the direct flo seal with the normal one,but I predict there will not be any vast improvement. That green thing in the pic is just the brass valve retainer….just came out green in the pic…..
If I had to guess i’d say the spring, stem, and delrin seat could swap out.
But it would really depend on what the direct flo spring looked like and if it was compatible with the hi-flo spring retaining nut at the tank side.
The return spring retaining nut on the direct flo valve should be smaller since the whole tank end of the valve is also smaller (well it appears to be smaller when compared with the hi flo valve in my hands)…
The nut at the tophat/breech side of the system MAY swap out, I don’t know about that though. I’m guessing that is the green thing in the picture, but the green thing could also be the return spring nut at the tank side.
Confused yet?
I sure am! 😆 😆
So the seat, spring, nut combo should replace such on a Hi-Flow valve or RL Extreme valve, no problem ?
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20428&highlight=extreme+valve
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Good eye. That lower port allows a slight wallow on the upstream air side, but don’t know how much that lesser amount of metal can take. Under normal conditons, maybe forever.
I would have preferred a custom cut where the port is wallowed out in a smooth trough pointing upstream and downstream, which anyone can do on a stock valve stem and achieve the same additional air flow, without risking weaking the stem in the port area.
Mass machined vs. custom, but same results.
Now back to the real question:
Where does the spring sit and how much of the inner core of the spring allows air to flow into the delrin ports ?