WOK, for all the slobbering you do over LDs…
I really feel a need to inquire “why”?
this reminds me of years back when hick gun schmidts re barreled and “tuned” WWII Japanese Arisakas turning them into very impressive arms.
True there was potential there
i the end you still had a damn Arisaka…
Case in point, years ago I had a splendid Griffin & Howe done Arisaka in .257 Roberts
Nearly gave t away, dead weight’
I see folks promote the LD conversion like its voodoo magic
it isn’t
its a El CheaPo AG that’s been re-barreled with a decent barrel with minor mods
No issues with that but is it remotely in the same class as this?
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu40/riversidesports_photos/001-7.jpg
same power range
Will you dare argue better trigger?
Barrel? Its FWB
build quality, given a Crosman is, well trash compared to FWB
I can go on and on WOK
show me where the LD surpasses an used FWB
I can buy FWB M2s regularly for 400 bones, nothing little Timmy can do will make a damn Crosman more accurate than a M2 FWB
Further while you slowly nigger lip the bolt on your LD, I will already have up to 5 pellets punching through the same hole down rage
see a great deal of slobbering about whaat was basically a throw away with a German barrel installed
the LD is a great conversion on a junk gun but it no matter how much some fantasize it to be, an FWB
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agree with every one of your criticisms of the Tau
I would add that the breech design in my opinion is poor, tendency to fly open under higer pressures and I don’t much care to have to cock the piece for every shot.
I really don’t see the fixed barrel as a negative as I am not much for caliber changing and tend to agree with DAQ relative to slide in barrels retained by set screws
frankly I have little doubt one could customize any of the vintage 10 meter CO2 handguns to a .22 that would prove superior to either the Tau or the LD
Hassle with the FWB is the barrel like that of the Tau is a press fit
The GPM actually clamps the barrel in the sub frame, {still readily removable} and in the 02 model has a removable pellet tray
main issue is the shitty ball bearing the Hungarians used for the exhaust valve but I am working on that
The GPM is a long road from perfection but the action design has things going for it that neither the Tau or Crosman MkI/II have
plus leaky GPMs in wonderful condition otherwise routinely sell in the same basic range as clean MkI/IIs
Just Sayin’ 😉
mate this action with say the self regulated valve used in the FWB M2 with a quality .22 barrel I think you have a serious winner as a field gun
So… not having an LD… how do I accurize my $29.00 Beeman P-17 to achieve the same level of performance….. 😆 😆 😆 🙄 🙄
Happy with it BTW… It shoots one hole groups at 10 yards too…. provided that the hole I am shooting through is 2″ in diameter… 😆 😆 (mostly not the gun I think, just my shaky fucking 53 year old hands and crappy eyes…) 😆 😆 😆
NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHIT!
😆 Yeah see if you can find the whole episode. It is sooooooooooo funny dude!
well at least not here in the Midwest where we speak plain English
I suppose it may have a different meaning in Californiglish
if thats the case WOK, I stand corrected 😆 😆 😆
Cheers!
The guns are not exactly the same but they are close…..
The other CO2 guns are further away and the Tau 7 came closer to an LD then the others.
The method of mounting a scope is easier on the LD. You can change barrels and calibers on the LD you can not on the Tau 7. The LD has a pellet probe the Tau 7 does not.
So while the accuracy is equal the Tau 7 comes closer then to the LD then other CO2 pistols, but is not the same in some aspects.
Is that plain enough English for you?
RoachCreek : Keeping this thread on track, see you in this thread : http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=178516#178516
Sam 😆
“comes close” does not mean same as, equal to or superior
well at least not here in the Midwest where we speak plain English
I suppose it may have a different meaning in Californiglish
if thats the case WOK, I stand corrected 😆 😆 😆
Cheers!
what I said:
“Yeah you have brought up the Tau a few times in the past well before you invoked it in this thread, usually in a manner that made it seem 2nd rate to the LD”
what you said:
“I only ever claimed it is the only other CO2 pistol that came close to the LD and the trigger was awesome. ”
Gee WOK correct me if I am mistaken on this but did not what you just state in fact agree with my own statement?
being the only other CO2 pistol to come close to the LD would make it second rate in your opinion to the LD correct?
must have been getting late huh?
No that statement does not make it second rate to the LD. It means exactly what it says.
Stop acting like a fool.
RC:
Had the same shit happen all over Minnesota years ago
started with towns & landwarks then progressed to high school sports
back where I grew up the State threatened to withold all funding from a local School District unless they changed the teams name from the offensive “Warriors” to something warm, furry and benign
Have to give the local Wagonburners a whole bunch of props & credit
They were pissed as hell about the situation
led by former NHL Hockey Superstar Henry Boucha they chartered buses and stormed the State legislature.
Cant recall the exact number involved but it was nearly every native young and old and presented a signed petition that stated to the effect that if they the Indians living IN the community were proud to have the local team named the Warriors it was nobody elses damn business
legislature was rather embarassed and quietly passed a measure exempting that one town from the new rules restoring funding to the district.
here is the thing, when Henry researched the history of this crap there was no real Tribal involvement
yeah it was all chickenshit bleeding heart WHITE assholes that were pushing much of this revisionism
as usual no one asked the damn Indians themselves who overall are some of the most free thinkers left in this Nation
Condor
Sort of like critiizing a boxing judge, “evidently he was not watching the same fight I was.”
I just don’t like the Political correctness thing Condor. Everybody has to get their feeling hurt anymore.
I grew up next to a wild creek named Sqaw creek, had so many adventures there as a kid with my 22 and fishingpole, had to acess it by horseback,I learned to trap on squaw creek.
They renamed it so it would not piss off the Indians, utter bullshit, and yes I know what the phrase means.
Just the way I feel, not trying to win anything, just show the stupidity of it all.
How you getting along with that SWFA Snper scope?
Roachcreek
uh…
what I said:
“Yeah you have brought up the Tau a few times in the past well before you invoked it in this thread, usually in a manner that made it seem 2nd rate to the LD”
what you said:
“I only ever claimed it is the only other CO2 pistol that came close to the LD and the trigger was awesome. ”
Gee WOK correct me if I am mistaken on this but did not what you just state in fact agree with my own statement?
being the only other CO2 pistol to come close to the LD would make it second rate in your opinion to the LD correct?
must have been getting late huh?
I don’t need to burrow through pages of posts on this, you broke out the Tanto and committed your act of seppuku for the LD very well in your response… 😉
Never been outright hateful of the Marauder…that would be silly, it’s an inanimate object. Owned one, had nothing but problems with it.
What I don’t like is when people were acting as though the Marauder was without any flaws, that any $20.00 Crosman barrel was equal if not superior to LW
someone better tell Tim what a waste it is to be replacing all those superior Crosman barrels with Kraut steel in his LD builds!
read the threads, has nothing to do with what other people shoot, more about keeping real
People were buying Marauders based on all the frothing on the Yellow and some were coming back disappointed with the product
sure its mostly well sorted now, particularly the .25 however the marketing lies continue such as that Green River is selling barrel blanks to Crosman
There are folks behind a bit of this that are in Crosmans hip pocket that are not disclosing their relationships with the company.
That’s not a review by someone who bought the off the shelf item, thats just a very tricky form of paid endorsement no different than OJ on a box of Wheaties
I mean do you really think OJ ate Wheaties or that Eric Clapton drank Michelob?
Worst part of the deal on the Marauders was that any who tried to post their actual bad experience was immediately shouted down by that very small crowd usually with at least one or two of the Crosman Nightriders calling them out as either idiots or liars
I just tired of that stupid game and began to attempt to inject a bit of reality into the conversation such as the vaunted Marauder Magazine and Marauder trigger group being close knock-offs of proven Theoben designs
no original thinking or American ingenuity at work like some were claiming
again keeping it real
I dare you to find one post anywhere that I have been critical of the 13XX, 22XX, the Discovery, QBs…yea gods WOK, the list goes on and on
you wont be able to as they dont exist
only just a couple places I butt heads with people and its usually when things go over the top.
if someone loves their Red Ryder…kool beans I that same someone states that their Red Ryder is the most accurate BB gun I do reserve the right to question that statement
The LD is a neat niche rig for sure but it should in no way be confused with a production pistol…its a hand built custom…thats like Contrasting a stock Condor against one of Tony’s incredible custom make overs
that said, at least in my opinion the Tau 7 Silhouette in .22 is still a better piece if you demand a CO2 based .22 field pistol, as you noted the trigger is very sweet, much better than the LD I owned.
my point on the Tau is that it can be set up to run a good 100FPS faster than the LD
in the end its all opinions about inanimate things 😉
so hows the Monsoon weather out there?
Well I plan on sending the MK 1 I bought to Mac 1 for the LD treatment. I also plan on making it dead quiet. It’ll probably get camo’d too.
Then I can sit on the patio and pull the relic out from under a newspaper and dispatch a crow that decides to make a ruckus of the morning.
When that happens, I expect a certain level of giddy. Hell I may drool, might even get wood! 😆
Ding Ding Ding. Round one goes to Wok and Critter with clean knock downs of Riverside and RoachCreek. As they stagger around and wonder what to do now, we will enjoy their stupidity and await for “The Rest of the Story!”
Sam 😛
Yeah you have brought up the Tau a few times in the past well before you invoked it in this thread, usually in a manner that made it seem 2nd rate to the LD
BULLSHIT! You are just making stuff up. I dare you to find any post I have ever made stating what you claim I said about the Tau 7.
I only ever claimed it is the only other CO2 pistol that came close to the LD and the trigger was awesome.
You just took a huge nose dive in credibility
And yes you are obsessed with what people choose to shoot. We have all read your long winded rant on the Marauder and now the LD.
Hey and if want everyone to think your a nut….Just keep it up. We will laugh at you all day long
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/thread/1256520983/-177+Tau+7+with+scope+rail
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1232683862/Tau+7+and+its+goodies—-WTH-
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