big-bore springers?
Make a long story short http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewtopic.php?t=15334 caught this post from a newbie asking about .25 cal HW80.
Well I had to nicely tell him not be silly. Just because the manufacturer is putting a larger barrel on a 17 cal power plant does not mean it is right. I tried to explain it.
Next thing you know the usual butt-heads come in with their 2 cents and their stories about 100 yard shooting with HW50s 😀
And we wonder why they sell us smooth twist barrels?
I thought we are supposed to teach people the right airgun principles.
You try to explain something to people that bigger caliber is sure is good provided you have that muzzle energy behind it.
I don’t get it… but I think airgun forums should be informative with the right information that teach people good, basic principles of airgunning and caliber selection.
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Wait a minute! Where is .177 Eliminator? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t exist! :wave: Hurry up and call Theoben. Tell them they made a huge mistake!!! Your point is invalid, just like every fucking word you say. Move on, boy.
We know, you shoot your TX once a month as you already said! LMAO! :8:
Says WHO???
That is what airgunning is NOT about. Dude, I will choose slow and heavy over fast and light any day. Obviously you are the only one who doesn’t know that a fast .177 slows down and sheds velocity FASTER than .22. We can deal with a fucking arc! Keep reading your idiotic booklets! 😆
27-40fpe .22 cal
50 and up .25cal..
Ahhh…never mind Match rifles at 500FPS!!! And if you think .177 at 25 FPE will be accurate, you need to get a hammer and knock yourself out right now. UNLESS you are a GAMO salesman!!! :thumb:
Hey expert, my .22 Condor was shooting at 50FPE and very accurately. So do .22 R1 and TX200 at 18FPE.
Never fucking mind .25 Royals and M-rods at 40-45FPE. And never fucking mind 27-30FPE Eliminators and Patriots.
And who the hell are you to say what is appropriate?
That is why .177 Patriots and Eliminators is a complete disaster. Ask those who actually OWN these and they will tell you that .22 and .25 are the BEST for these powerplants.
Geez, let me think, my .177TX200 kills a crow at 63 yards, no pass through. It went in and stayed put. Dead is dead. Then, my .22TX200 kills a pigeon at 74 yards. Punched right through that bitch! You Skiffy go ahead and tell me shit about penetration! 😆 😆 😆
Crow
30 Yds away
LD 10″ barrel
.22 Crosman Premiere
CO2
This is only one of many over the years.
With your example the bowling ball with fall faster on my head then the golf ball. Heavier objects do fall faster, basic physics 😀
With springers whos power plant 25×100 .25 cal pellet will travel shorter and with greater arc, then the .17 cal pellet fired from the identical gun.
You people are missing the point, or just fucking around. I am simply saying for each power plant use the appropriate caliber..
and it breaks down kind of like this..
15-25fpe 17 cal
27-40fpe .22 cal
50 and up .25cal..
I myself as far as springers go even the super magnum once like gamo 1250 will take it in .17 cal, and use heavy pellets. This way the trajectory will be flat, you will shoot further, and have some good penetration power.
.22 cal is strictly for FAC pcp’s. I don;t know why it is new to some of you. The more I shoot the more I realize that the old school guys are right.
Manufacturers know this, but put .22 and ,25 cal barrels on all models to generate sales. But springers with 25×100 parameters should only be made in 17 cal if you want to be textbook perfect. If you don’t care about, and shoot in your back yard, you can shoot what you want.
read about a guy called Galileo and his experiments regarding objects of different mass esp the falling part
http://www.jimloy.com/physics/galileo.htm
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/galileofallingbodies.html
also for our purposes both pellets , all right all three .177,.22 and mighty .25 will drop at the same rate.
at point blank maybe but in real life if the crow is 20-30 yards away… I want to see your results..
Skiff, you don’t hunt do you.
That wasn’t a question.
at point blank maybe but in real life if the crow is 20-30 yards away… I want to see your results..
are you a fuck dumb shit or what? he was telling me Good analogy what the fuck does this have to do with me being 20-30 yards away WOW you are a real fuckin jack ass
Well Shut the fuck up! I dont care What your “physics” shows
I have the Proof!!! My Gamo 1250 in .22 was a hammer
My XL1100 is SWEET in .22 Hell My Multi Pump steroid 392 at 26 FPE is sweet too
here is some Pics Plus I have taken 3 fox and a Few coons with my .22 springers Now show me where in your book and or physics charts will show how you .177 will kill these animals any fucking deader than they are?
here ya go 91 yards and a Pass through!!! so how much more penetration will you .177 do here? 
heres another 1250 kill
and another
heres a pass through using a 17 grain TM2 .22 cal 
pass through with the 392
here is a GOOD one a .22 Sringer Pistol!!!
Must be fucking under gunned I mean I killed these 2 squirrels
here is my Old trail XL at 25 FPE must not be enough I mean at 51 yards this cant have enough ommph or accuracy to go clean through a Greay right?
lets not forget this 40 yard head shot
this is just for shits and giggles
this one is a Pass through with my Vorteked RWS 48 at 24 FPE, If I recall correct it was at 43 yards
here ya go
the mighty .2240
Well here is proof that your .177 Will not kill ANY DEADER than these as well as These pass throughs with my sub 27 FPE guns at 50+ yards I mean the only thing the .177 may do is pass through Bend the Warp Speed Continum and Travel back to Time When the Squirrel was born and Kill its mother too!
Now go stroke your self to some Air Porn!!
at point blank maybe but in real life if the crow is 20-30 yards away… I want to see your results..
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I think he has!