FrankEdstein Part 2 or Zocoloco & Why He’s Plum Loco!
Below is the thread I quoted from in its exact unedited format. Take a look at the wear and tear on a brand new Edgun R3M breech and mag, then you tell me that’s acceptable. I highly doubt it.
I’ve spent some time in my basement. Don’t know where to start really……
I have had some 50 pellets through now, – and these were my notes:
I started at around 195 bars and used my Crombo for the speed measurements. I noted the pressure after every ten shots, – an it appears my R3M cal.22 consumes some 12/13 bars per 10 shots. I write like a pig, but people with a goood imagination may be able to read the velocity numbers I hope…….. đł Out of the box between 925 and 900 fps with the vast majority around between 910/920.
I used the ms-function with proper indexing, and it never failed once ! It felt a little rough in the beginning, but after a few shots I forgot all about that. It didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shooting.
I never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifully……. :8:
Hawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shot:
This ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the next:
You should be able to see how the anodizing is being filed off on the rim of the mag.
There seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sides. Here is the other side of it:
However that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been there
No big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in period……. đ
However, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not all How to lubricate this part I don’t know yet. Aluminium on aluminium is not easy, and added to that is the risk of getting some lube into the pellet slots and further into the barrel. On that path there’s an O-ring in the forward breech that must be passed too. And O-rings don’t like anything but silicone grease………
I may want to try some silicone spray glider that dries like a thin film on whatever material. It’s designed to reduce the friction of rigging, zippers etc. on a sailboat and should probably do the trick here too……..
My gun is of the MK I type, – and the breech/mag system is already obsolete. As I understand it, the versions shipped to the US is of the MK II variant. I’ve never seen one of those but will soon. Apparently the mags and the indexing system may have been modified a little and for the better. The little nasty ballbearing that pushes the mag against the wall, has been moved inwards towards the center of the mag. That should mean less distance for the mag to rotate against it between shots. It should also mean that the cam that indexes the mag would need less power to do so as it gets a longer “arm” to work with…..
We’ll see…… đ
Oh, – I forgot to tell you how this little bastard shoots. Below is tonight’s session on “paper”. There are five 10 shot groups shot from a sandbag at a distance of 50 m (55yds). The groups should speak for themselves:
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo đ
Hello to all my friends and the ass kissers who wonât see this because they blocked meâŚ
Regarding Edgun R3M: http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28318&hilit=frankedstein
For those of you who are not aware of and to recap who exactly are the the Members of the ‘Ed Ass Kissing Club’ or as I like to term them, the self-absorbed, addicted, distracted and ignorant Edgun internet groupies consists of:
Ridetoeat, Coda, the Wing Nut NZ loser, The childish Krille from Sweden, Hoot, The goat screwer, Ed of course, Loco too, Synopsys, Knifemaker, and Iâll update this as I remember the others.
This post is not for the âEdgun Ass Kisser Clubâ members and thank heaven they won’t be responding because they can’t see this thread. I am merely wanting to advise and inform those of you who can think for yourselves and are open-minded enough to see when something is crap and you’re being screwed.
I know many of you have missed me and my accurate, right to the point and amusing posts but we had a very hectic Christmas as business was booming. We finally caught up around the middle of January. I also bought myself a new truck for a Christmas present so Iâve been entertained with that project. Airguns are cheap compared to what you can do to modify a truck today!
The weather is beautiful, 80 degrees this week, life is good, adventurous and fun and I do hope it is for you as well.
Before I get into the actual post, let me make this statement:
Imagine buying a new vehicle and finding out that the drivers door fits too tightly into the frame. Each time you open the door, the paint chips and the door is very hard to open. You then come to the revelation that you don’t need the door because you can enter the vehicle through the window. Now, would that be acceptable? Of course not but the ass-kissing club members, Loco in particular, would have you believe that this is acceptable when owning a $2000 Edgun. And then to add insult to injury, you make this issue aware to everyone and people tell you that it’s acceptable and quit complaining and just use the window to get into the vehicle. Sounds ridiculous, well read on…
I thought Iâd post a long overdue comment that ‘Zocoloco’ made or as I like to call him, just plain ‘Loco’ regarding his beloved Edgun in this thread:
OK, here we goâŚ.
Loco, youâre off your rocker! Do you have your head crammed so far up Edâs butt that you donât see how ridiculous you sound protecting his piece of crap gun!
First asinine statement and I quote:
âI never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. [b] I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ[/b]
Loco, the gun is designed to remove the mag not refill it each time you see 4 empty slots. If thatâs the case why buy a multi shot! The âmag is somewhat hard to pull outâ is the poor design of the breach and mag itself that you are defending. The thing was designed to fill the mag, load it into the gun, shoot till empty, remove, and replace; not fill after every 4 shots. Incredible statement.
Second asinine statement and I quote:
âHawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shotâ
Loco, âfiled downâ is a satisfactory appearance and function of this flawed model! I own other guns with similar mags and they donât look âfiled downâ. It a design flaw in a $2000 gun.
Third asinine statement and I quote:
âThis ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, [b]it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the nextâ[/b]
Loco, once again this is a design flaw. The gun was designed by an amateur looking to pop out another model to us unsuspecting buyers. Once again, this is a design flaw. I own many other guns with similar mags that operate smoothly without the difficulty this Edgun model presents. And you think that taking a “beating” is an acceptable operating procedure and acceptable design! You are plum loco.
Fourth asinine statement and I quote:
âThere seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sidesâ
Loco, this is an understatement! And you think âgrindingâ on a brand new gun is acceptable and a ingenious design? The gun is flawed as is the design.
Fifth asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been thereâ
Loco, so now there is a âburrâ on the inside of the breech that âmost likely shouldn’t have been thereâ. Incredible and you donât see anything wrong with that and accept it. Well, I donât! The gun is flawed and should have never been released to the general public until these issues had been resolved.
Sixth asinine statement and I quote:
âNo big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in periodâ
Loco, âNo big dealâ huh. Youâre a pinhead to accept mediocrity when paying $2000 for a gun.
Seventh asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not allâ
Loco, so some of it will go away âeventuallyâ as in when? A month, six months, six years? Is one supposed to suffer through that period with a $2000 gun? And, what is someone to do with the “friction” that does not “go away eventuallyâ as you stated? So we’re just supposed to accept it and pretend it isn’t there because of our love for Ed. You and the others can kiss his ass, I won’t.
Iâm done and want to wish all of you a great week ahead.
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Well even though it’s not MG’s car, there is a statement in the comments of the video that could lead to him (when MG was still MG)…
The comment I’m referring to is “Overpriced bullshit!”ďťż :rofl:
Passive submissive as Cesar Milan would say…
Dr.:evil:
I kinda miss the clashing with MG. His mild – almost submissive – and educated way of discussing matters is very interresting. :fishinghole:
This guy wasn’t happy with BMW’s customer service so he made a “statement” and yes it’s his car.
Maybe MG did the same… But somehow I doubt it
http://youtu.be/NNSYZ5BDBc4
Dr.:evil:
Uncle Hoot:
I have to say I did tire of M/G’s constant ramble and seemingly endless complaining but I really love the way his threads all eventually turn into such an off topic laughing mess that you forget what the thread was all about.. đ
Rest assured M/G, if you rant you negativity like a stuck record on TAG the group your refer to as the EDclub who have nothing but a positive influence and are always willing to help the greater air gunning community we have here will eventually take your thread and stuff it down the front of their pants rubbing it all over their sweaty nuts then pull it out to reveal what we have here on the last few pages :rofl:
Dr.:evil:
To one and all…and this is my last remark on this dark period in a complex world…The best way to service any “Queen” is under covers!
Zocoloco…Oxycodone, 50mg as needed!
Kindest regards to all, and to MG, whose thread has been thoroughly raped, leaving him to mutter “WTF!”….it is what it is, but will never be what it is not!
Uncle Hoot:
My hat is off and I humbly bow down, I didn’t know you’d serviced the Queen hOOt đŻ
Dr.:evil:
been following this forum for 6 years now and just registered this year, well i know i already registered last yr but i i could’nt seem to access my account. anyways hi to all of u guys young and old, noobs and ancient!
MG,
u still hold true to this statement?
If any of you had this experience I would back you in a heartbeat because itâs just plain, âthe right thing to doâ.
it seems here that u left in a heartbeat and left everybody hanging!
:butkick: i hope u didn’t go back…
Most of the people who met their end from this evil genius, to this very day, do not realize they are dead! Many of them still carry on their daily lives as though nothing happened….yes, he’s THAT good!
Once, in Cambodia, in the mid ’80’s, he disguised himself as a nine month pregnant woman, to get a decent shot at an emergency room doctor who did house calls for the Pol Pot regime…going so far as to physically give live birth to an eight pound baby boy…then shot the doctor dead, as the infant was lifted to slap it’s behind! He then crawled from the delivery room table, leaving only a faint bloody trail…disappearing into the darkness of the jungle outside! The child’s fate was never determined.
Impossible you say? Insanity? Urban Legend? Never underestimate what evil secrets the Queen’s dark minions hold in their cold blooded, murderous souls. These men are a breed apart!
Honestly…did you REALLY believe all these years people were actually dying from an allergy to the common peanut??? The Crown has had many enemies through the centuries, who better to take the blame for their demise than the airlines?
Genius actually!
Regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:
Pah, the wig and makeup was the easy part. Squeezing an 8lb orphan through my rectum was the hard bit. ( To you hicks, imagine blowing a possum through a hose pipe). The ‘doctor’ was a pervert who thought my clitoris was huge( not sure if that was a compliment to my manhood or his astonishment at a senorita’s deformity) and thought he could twang it like a banjo string. Either way he was dispatched. I took no pleasure from either act other than to see the creation we know now as tcmalker. I must have passed on some genetic code somehow through my excreta.
My allegiance to the queen remains strong (God bless her wrinkly, German, money grubbing, do nothing, privileged snooty nosed heart).
As for you ‘Ace, you divulge far too much information as to our Asian adventures. Please be aware that you are still ‘On Her Majesty’s Service’ and your rating as 006 and a bit could be compromised. Leylas don’t come cheap and Ed is on our payroll đ
Most of the people who met their end from this evil genius, to this very day, do not realize they are dead! Many of them still carry on their daily lives as though nothing happened….yes, he’s THAT good!
Once, in Cambodia, in the mid ’80’s, he disguised himself as a nine month pregnant woman, to get a decent shot at an emergency room doctor who did house calls for the Pol Pot regime…going so far as to physically give live birth to an eight pound baby boy…then shot the doctor dead, as the infant was lifted to slap it’s behind! He then crawled from the delivery room table, leaving only a faint bloody trail…disappearing into the darkness of the jungle outside! The child’s fate was never determined.
Impossible you say? Insanity? Urban Legend? Never underestimate what evil secrets the Queen’s dark minions hold in their cold blooded, murderous souls. These men are a breed apart!
Honestly…did you REALLY believe all these years people were actually dying from an allergy to the common peanut??? The Crown has had many enemies through the centuries, who better to take the blame for their demise than the airlines?
Genius actually!
Regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:
hOOt I have my depends and hockey helmet and I’m stocked up on beer so he’s welcome to try.
If he does requests I prefer chilli nuts, xtra hoot.
Not to hoot my own horn, but I’ve seen my fairy cheer of wetwork by my self đ
Waiting by the cooler
Dr.:evil:
No pills – he´s licking Toads … đ
My dear friend Hoot !
I am pleased to see your health is improving ! :biggrinn:
If you don’t mind, – could please share with me the brand/name/strengths of the pills you’re eating, – or even better send me some !!! đ
Cheers
Trygve in Lanzarote :biggrinn:
And you, Dr. Evil…should be aware of the master of disguise you so carelessly toy with.
Most of the people who met their end from this evil genius, to this very day, do not realize they are dead! Many of them still carry on their daily lives as though nothing happened….yes, he’s THAT good!
Once, in Cambodia, in the mid ’80’s, he disguised himself as a nine month pregnant woman, to get a decent shot at an emergency room doctor who did house calls for the Pol Pot regime…going so far as to physically give live birth to an eight pound baby boy…then shot the doctor dead, as the infant was lifted to slap it’s behind! He then crawled from the delivery room table, leaving only a faint bloody trail…disappearing into the darkness of the jungle outside! The child’s fate was never determined.
Impossible you say? Insanity? Urban Legend? Never underestimate what evil secrets the Queen’s dark minions hold in their cold blooded, murderous souls. These men are a breed apart!
Honestly…did you REALLY believe all these years people were actually dying from an allergy to the common peanut??? The Crown has had many enemies through the centuries, who better to take the blame for their demise than the airlines?
Genius actually!
Regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:
Don’t forget your shots…
Dr.:evil:
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And yet it’s not the first 160’000$+ car he trashes… Yet another similarity
Dr.:evil: