Help me pick a gun, my mind is melting
Im having a really really hard time picking a gun, so i decided to make an account and bug u guys about it until u make me feel better about a choice that you may or may not have any affect on.
So here’s the delemona and im sure you’ve all heard it so many times before. Im looking to mostly hunt, but sometimes plink. Looking at airguns because of stupid gun laws under 100 yards u need permission, serously who wants to ask permission? Ok i did it anyway, they said no, was 280ft away, 20 short of not having to ask….
anyways enough backstory i guess, so im almost 30 years old, pretty big guy, looking to shoot some squirrels, rabbits, and maybe eventually try some bigger stuff like coons or fox’s if i ever get lucky enough to spot some but thats fairly unlikely.
So back to where was i at, yes, i wanted to know the best gun for me, so far im looking at the benji maurder, and snythetic maurder, is there a difference or are they both the same besides weight? Then i was also looking at the condors and talons, i see on some of the sales sites, that the talons are actually more popluar than the condors, why is that? If i went air force guns whats the best setup? I heard some people are prefering the regular condor over the SS versions? see this is where it gets so complicated to me, it looks like the regular condor does more fps, but i don’t understand why, ive also read a confusing post that said to get the regular condor if u like quiet guns,see my mind is blown here. Then i read somewhere that the power dial on the airforce guns is useless? Then there are all the mods, of which i know zero about, and what the best setup would be ect. So i really want to know which condor and setup is actually the best, because that alone is making this so hard when i can’t even narrow down a gun from each manufactor.
My mind is really really tired and confused, its lots of money, and i want to make the right choice, but i also want to go shoot some things, so thats why im here, help me shoot some things, help me make the right choice.
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trust me, the mrod is just the beginning. i started with a custom cheap local gun made in indonesia, ended up with 9pcp and 3 springers. its like women, they break your heart, but would u stop hooking up with another one?
congrats n have fun with your mrod. but whatever you do or plan on doing in the future, make sure safety is always the very number 1. you are dealing with very high pressured air there. once it goes boom theres no way u can ask for a refund esp from God. my advice would be dont try to safe n cut corners on a few bucks on safety. you guys are very lucky to have it freakin cheap there. dont know about other country but we paid mostly 2-3 times the price here. let alone maintaining the game. a tin of king cost 50-55bucks
anyway let us know how it shoots and have fun with your purchase
ed
I hate for him to not to get to experience the whole pcp thing ,
i have a whole safe full of rifles shotguns and handguns, i had a private range available 15 minutes from my drive way,(fort worth rifle and pistol club) i was a member for years, i shot every week for the most part if i could,it closed
i reload every thing i shoot , from 222 thru 338 , and 410 thru 12 ga. 38 sp, to 44, and cast for all hand gun and 7mm. 308 and 338 in rifle.
now i have to drive an hour to get to the range i am a member of now (parker county sportsmen club), so i don’t get to go a whole lot,
air guns let me shoot in my house ,in my yard,they allow me to shoot , and i have finally found a few that have the accuracy i am used to with my powder guns, or better some times
i had quit shooting my spring air guns a whole lot , just get one out now and then,they also make more noise than a pcp with a can on the barrel, but the pcp thing, wow, really gets you going , no cocking every time, picking up the gun if your on the bags ,accuracy never achieved with a spring gun, after i had shot the condor and picked up my M 48 rws, it was like i had laid my head on the fender of a 57 chevrolet and somebody slammed the hood, etc.
my condor made me a better shot with my spring guns, i had never shot a group under 1/2″ at 50 yards with any of my spring guns before i had the condor, after seeing the accuracy of the condor , i tried several pellets with the other guns and found a pellet that shot better ,under 1/2” with my m 48 rws, my m34 in open sighted, i need to put a scope on it and see what it will do.
any way , Bob i ask you what your experience was with air guns because i was wondering how much you had shot them, if you like shooting , the pcp allows you to shoot ,and shoot allot, just like it was powder, you can relax and just squeeze the trigger.
i thought i had shot allot with my air guns before pcp, or what i thought was allot anyway , i went thru 10,000 pellets with my condor in the first 2 years i owned it.and thats a conservative number .
I think if you would shoot that thing you would be hooked,,hell you will recoup your investment in savings alone if you shoot it like i have shot my condor.figure up 10.000 rounds of 308, 44mag, 38sp. 12ga etc. i bet my condor is free by now.
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I think it either grips you, or it doesn’t.
When I first watched Teds youtube vids of him hunting with his Matador, I had never heard of PCPs. My only pellet gun was when I was 12 and I never gave them a second thought. But watching those vids sparked something and I ordered a marauder and pump. I was hooked day one.
Some hobbies grow on you I suppose.. but I think the price of getting in to PCPs, quickly shows your either hooked and committed, or your not.
Makes sense! I think Bob has already walked away. I hate to see people walk away from this hobby/passion though. Maybe we’ll see him back some day!
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Just let Bob walk away..
If you can’t tell, pcp isnt his thing.. so don’t try to talk him in to it.
I’d rather have someone tell people that their brief experience in to our hobby was an expensive one that wasn’t his thing rather than talking him in to staying and making him really sour and regretful.
If you want a less costly and bulky squirrel shooter you might try to get a p-rod refurb or used. I’ve heard of guys taking everything up to raccoons, but at a close range and a few power mods. Plus it’s way easier to pump. Bob? You still listening? 🙂
Bob;
Sorry to hear of your bad experience. If I were you, I’d contact the vendor and get a replacement. The Benjamin Marauder is in no way a “piece of shit” like you stated. Sometimes things just arrive in bad shape. You really should give it a try. If you don’t damage it, most places will take it back if you’re not happy with it.
I do agree that the Marauder is a large, heavy gun. It’s a friggin log! But a well balanced log that will take only a short time to get used to.
You also stated that “you would get into trouble shooting it at your house. Maybe if you lived in Manhattan! They are “mouse fart” quiet!
Sounds like you really like your rim fires and other powder burners. That’s fine, me too. But you can’t shoot your 22lr, 17 HMR, AR or shotgun 500 times for under $20! And if you’re worried about the report of an air gun being heard by your neighbors, I’m sure you won’t be cracking off rim fire rounds in your yard either.
I am an avid hunter and I find air gun hunting to be similar to archery hunting. Part of the challenge is getting closer to your prey. You can drop a deer with a 7 mag at 300 yards but isn’t it a whole lot more exciting to have a rutting buck walk to within 20 yards of you and smoke his ass?
Just my opinion! Whatever you decide to do, I hope it works out for you. I just hate to see a future air gun fanatic walk away from the hobby due to a shipping flaw without giving it a chance!
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Hey Bob, what is your experience with air rifles to this point, what have you owned,and shot .
Well said Chris!
Bob,
I live in both worlds: powder burners and air rifles. I love them both.
Honestly I never had your complains. I take them as two different hobbies with different technologies and tools.
You mentioned over pricing in air rifles. Let me tell you a comparable overpricing scheme in the powder world: AR-15!
They are way too overpriced. and what is worse, any little cmponents you want to add is redicusly prices.
The technology in those rifles is 60+ years old.
So do I complain about it? No because it is a hobby to me and a love my rifles. The money goes to the pleasure of building, tinkering and shooting.
I don’t have any regrets in spending on what you considered over-priced. If nothing else, I wish I had more $$$ to buy more.
Because a hobby is a hobby and it is a natural money pit. But hobbiests do not care!
Now you are probably in the: “I want a tool” category as you mentioned.
You want a rifle to go hunting. Not a rifle to play with.
You want a rifle with engravings to hang on the fireplace cause it was handmade or something.
So go do it!
Why are you even buying an air rifle if you don’t believe or care about it’s technology or usefulness?
We have given you advices and warnings about this hobby, and now you are saying we all try to hide our regret spending money on it?
You got that all wrong, Bob. You got into the wrong thing, and now you feel we should all make you feel better about it!
I don’t think that is fair. Stick to what you can do, and what you like to do.
Based on your responses, the only thing I regret is taking the time to actually giving you any advice at all.
Good luck
Cheers
Chris
but the technology really isn’t that expensive, nor is it really that hard to do, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many ‘small man’ mods for these guns. The engineering really isn’t that spectacular, were talking air here, opening a valve, air pushing pellet, pellet goes bye bye. Look at AR-15’s, there’s quite a bit going on in those semi auto’s.
You take a real rifle, lets say a salvage for comparison sake, which as far as i know have barrel twists on them as well, add some valves ect and you “might” start to hit the price tags on these air guns. But thats not what they did, if they did just that, i wouldn’t be complaining near as much. The barrels have hardly as much metal to them, from the video’s ive seen, its a tube surrounded by a really big tube ok so right there your cutting alot of production and material costs off, they didn’t really need it anyway and reduces weight, but the point is price. The wood turned to what im guessing is laminate wood, trigger gaurd is plastic, the trigger….man that trigger looks…god dam i can’t even explain that thing, ill just leave it as that. Then these ammo clips, why bother making them round for, is there something wrong with traditional clips modified/designed for pellets? The point im getting at is, they are asking real rifle prices, but they didn’t model them after rifles, at least to me, it looks like they “improved” on spring guns. It just doesn’t add up to me.
You can buy crazy hand engraved guns that can also be used as art pieces, for some of the prices ive seen.
Now some people might be upset by what im saying, maybe they are trying to defend in their minds the prices they’ve spent, if they are good with it then they really shouldn’t be upset, so obviously they have some doubt in their minds as well, if not then that only leaves an invested interest worried about their bubble popping.
But here’s the thing, if nobody complains, these companys won’t have a reason to drop prices, they won’t have a reason to create better things nearly as fast. Some companys add a shroud to the air gun that probably cost them $10 to add, but then turn around and charge $50-$100 more for it, if your curious which guns im talking about its more in the spring/piston line of guns. To me these value line pcp’s should cost as much as the top end mainstream gas pistons because think about it money wise you’re basically just swapping out parts and making a bigger air cylinder and the pump is seperate. it should even out or be a tad bit more, and those fancy ones should be sub $1k tops
Well the quality depends on how much you spend- a Air Arms S510 is going to be waaay better than a Marauder! The price reflects that. There’s also a lot more engineering involved with airguns. Between valving, springs, barrel twist… too many variables to list. That’s one of the reasons why there’s such a huge price gap. Powder burners you just shoot. Sure, you can get real technical- if you reload. Or bench-shoot. But there’s a reason firearm technology hasn’t changed much in the past 100+ years. Look at the level of innovation seen w/airguns in the past 30 years. Initial set-up sucks ass… I spent a lot. Fill equipment, and the myriad projects I’ve done over the years. The fill equipment applies to so many other airguns though, not just one. The compressor and shoebox allow me to fill at home, w/o having to drive, and for less than six cents per hour- which works out to be $0.25-$1.00 to fill my 91 cu ft tank (NOT FROM EMPTY)- which fills my air-hungry condor 15 times, which shot about 45 pellets per fill before I disassembled it- that’s 675-ish shots total before filling my big tank. Of course, I could just fill my gun and for waaaaaaaay less than six cents. This hobby isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay. Just try to be a little more patient with it at first! :2cents:
hunting and target shooting is my hobby, these are just my tools, and my tools i should be proud of and not ashamed to tell people how much i spent on them. so yah i guess im just used to buying real guns and getting something that feels close to the value i spent on it. These pcp’s cost more than real guns but they are made of much lower quality materials. The market hasn’t caught up with reality yet.
Bob, it’s pretty apparent this hobby probably isn’t for you. With all the solid advice given, and ignored.. And all the bitching and squirming about prices.. It’s just not up your alley. PCP is an expensive hobby any way you cut it. Yeah you can cut corners on some things and save a little money, but this is HPA and good money *should* be spent on it.
Nothing wrong with just returning what you have now and finding something else. If costs have already shook you this hard with your entry level set up, I don’t see you being able to really enjoy the finer equipment and guns down the road that mostly start at $1k+
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I bought the one from the amazon link. http://www.amazon.com/Scuba-Adaptor-Benjamin-Crosman-Airguns/dp/B003XDZ0CE. It is working fine. I would not want a longer hose – it seems that the more volume is in your fill adapter, the less pressure you will be able to get on a given fill.
IMO, based on limited experience, the distinguishing feature of a fill adapter is the quality of the gauge. If you’re using a 3000psi SCUBA tank, it really doesn’t matter – you can’t overfill. If you spend the bucks for a 4500 psi tank, having a good gauge is probably a worthwhile investment.
GsT