Ammunition accountability act
This was just forwarded to me. Hope all of you that voted for osama are happy, because this is going to suck if it goes through.
Did you know anything about this, Alabama is one of the states mentioned. The gun control liberals got a setback when the Supreme Court upheld the 2nd amendment rights in Wash. DC. Now they are trying to come thru the back door. Please forward this to all you know that want to keep their guns!!!! Maybe we can start a ground swell, or continue it at least, that will go all over the U.S. and have a positive impact on the outcome.
Remember how Obama said that he wasn’t going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his minions and allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo! The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a database of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded. Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011.(Including hand loaded ammo.)
They will also charge a.05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo then they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington. To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
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Thankfully, Ammunition Coding Systems has been unsuccessfull in their repeated attempts over the last few years to mandate their proprietary technology in several states; lets hope and work to continue to keep it that way.
That wasn’t a CA law, but Federal; and was for cartridges in popular pistol chamberings.
That makes sense. Like I said it was statewide, happend no matter where you were…..or at least were I was which was in South and central California. No extra fees involved. Imagine what it would be like if the cost per round was over a dollar as some estimates put it. Remember, you not only need to mark all those bullets and cases, but you need to keep full documentation one each one of them through several levels.
There are those that think that’s just fine…….
It could happen again, but worse.
Doug Owen
That wasn’t a CA law, but Federal; and was for cartridges in popular pistol chamberings.
For the first 5 that sign up to the nra I will mail them 2 – 90 duro breach seal o-rings.
P.M. me with shipping address, only the first 5, no cheaters.
Right on Sawtime 😀 Every member get a member!
Was a member before, it just got away from me for a couple of years.
So a call to all non-nra members, if you have guns and want to keep them, do as I did.
Bravo Sawtime!!!
Even if you’ve no interest today, your children and grandchildren might want the option of defending themselves. Once it’s gone, it’s not coming back.
Who’s next? “Operators are standing by….”
Doug Owen
Thanks to this great forum, I just resigned up for a 3 year nra membership.
Was a member before, it just got away from me for a couple of years.
So a call to all non-nra members, if you have guns and want to keep them, do as I did.
Bummer that. I thought the white hats had beat that back, how did they get around it? Wow, LA must be the safest place in the state…..
In the seventies it was state wide. I had to show ID and get ‘logged’ for each box of .22 LR I bought. Until I turned 21 I had to write and initial “for rifle use only” in the comments column before signing.
It turns out this did have an up side of sorts. There was a cop shooting in Oakland where the lowlife used a .25 auto. OPD backchecked every box of .25 auto bought in the last few months…..they go the guy! Cop shootings call for ‘special efforts’.
Doug Owen
The unsaid point to all of this is that if this is legislated into law it will, like all laws only regulate the law-abiding! Just like the Brady bill it will have ZERO effect on criminal use of firearms. Presently thugs don’t go down to the gunstore to buy a gun, and if ACT passes in your state they won’t go down to the gunstore to buy ammo either!
These types of laws are drafted by politicians with more motivation to retain the support of their liberal constituants than to affect the ability of a criminal to obtain firearms and ammunition.
This law , like all gun laws will as usual only have an impact on you and I -the law abiding good guys that use and enjoy guns.
The City of Los Angeles requires that a thumbprint and type of ammo purchased, and the buyers name and address be placed in a book that others can look at. This insanity doesn’t apply to ammo sales in L.A. County.
I have never given a thumbprint to buy ammo in CA. There is no CA state law requiring ID or fingerprints, get your facts straight.
I have been required to do so here in California, but not for a long time. So it has happened, perhaps you might want to ‘get your facts straight’?
There were also a host of local laws before the preemption laws sorted that out. Wanna guess who did that for us? Yup, that same NRA.
Doug Owen
Brutus,
I am angry, but not at you.
You have stated what one must do in your country to own a firearm but do not mention what kind of gov. regulation requirements you had to meet in order to be even be able to ride that 1200cc BMW in your country! I believe from what I have read in my motorcycle magazines you have to have 3 years on smaller bikes, graduating up to larger bikes in a few steps, right? Neither of those sound like liberty to me!
What business does a goverment have in telling me how much ammo I can have in my home or how big my motorcycle is?
NONE.
Freedom and liberty are taken away all in a day, but a little over a long period of time so that no one notices.
I have never given a thumbprint to buy ammo in CA. There is no CA state law requiring ID or fingerprints, get your facts straight.
There is no need to ba angry about your opionions, you are far from alone in them. They are widely spread here by the anti gun folks. “If it saves just one life, won’t it have been worth it?” was the theme some years back. The obvious answer is ‘of course’. But the counter is ‘what if it costs more lives?’. Statistically it does, at least here. The worst violent crimes are in areas of strictest gun controls, and the situration got worse after those gun controls. Ask yourself, what happened after Dublane (sp)?
Bad guys are, by definition, already in the business of ignoring laws. They are also preditors in the true sense, the must prey on the weak. Just like in the other jungle, if they get hurt they die. Here in the US the good guys shoot and kill seven times more bad guys than the cops year in and year out. The bad guys know it and avoid armed citizens.
It should also be pointed out that our traditions come from the UK for the most part. Because of the nature of our young society we still hold Freedom and Personal Responsibility high, although that too is being eroded away as happened to you. We surrender more and more Freedom for imagined or promised security that falis us in steps, small and large.
As you rightly point out, ammo would still be availlable to those who really want it in a world that can’t control the durg trade. Those who prey on the weak don’t really need all that much, you know, they don’t go to the range all that often. What will chage over time is the good guys won’t have it since making or owning ‘unregistered’ ammo will be a criminal offense (which law abiding citizens will respect).
The cost of ammo would go up far more that estimated by those who want this (no suprise there), estimates are several fold. That is, of course the goal of those who want to ban guns, and has been for nearly a hundred years. Over time guns will go from tools of sport and family protecttion to relics to memories…..or so they plan.
I suggest that rather than look at the UK as a model of whare we should go, we should look at it as a warning of what is being planned for us. Today they say they have no problem with “legitimate sporting use” of guns (as long as like there they are managed in a way that they can’t be used for self defense), they just want the evil (fill in the blank, handguns, assault rifles, .50 cal bolt guns, Saturday Night Specials, whatever) guns ‘nobody really needs’ are ‘thaken off the streets’. Then they will, of course, start to work on what those sporting purposes are going to be allowed to be….for the sake of the children.
It’s called RKBA by activists, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for those who don’t know it because they don’t have it. And RKBA is not about Duck Hunting. More as the German saying goes, “Foxes prefer rabbits with no claws”.
Doug Owen
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read back a little on the ACS and the guys who started pushing the legislation are a couple individuals that have patented the process of laser engraving the bases of the bullets. They could not get any manufacturers to bite on their idea, so they started pushing “safety” legislation.
A bad deal either way. As has already been shown over the years, the only people affected will be those of us whom obey the laws (don’t shoot people and steal from others). And the second ammendment wasn’t written for sporting purposes or self defense.