Edgun: Not In Defense of the auto mechanism without Kool Aid
In another thread there were some claims that are out there. In fact, so far out there that I decided and feel this topic deserves its own thread but without ass kissing and without Kool Aid.
So, here is the statement that I dispute:
Show me to problems it is causing with loading or accuracy or you are full of hot air and wasting words. I am headed to the range, for some more 30 yard testing and breakin due to cold and convenience of it. 100 will be the deal but not for me today. i’ll leave it to you warm weather guys.
I have taken the liberty of cutting his diatribe for the sake of brevity to focus in on the the real issue.
Ok, I just got in from shooting for over 3 hours. I went through a bunch of pellets and as I have previously stated, the issue was not with accuracy as I confirmed today. Shooting my 25 cal long R3M was just as accurate as my single shot R3’s. The accuracy was good and I’m talking out to 100 to 120 yards where I was able to consistently pound 3/4 and 1″ targets most of the day. It took about 500 to 600 pellets to get it to this state of accuracy. No complaint there.
The closest targets are at 100 yards, then 110 yards and lastly the two in the back near the white Romney sign are at 120 yards. Those targets are great fun to shoot at! No comments about the Romney signs as we are keeping the dream alive. 🙂
Now to address the real issue:
The multi shot is still not indexing properly 100% of the time. There were moments where it didn’t index and I shot puffs of air. The bolt is not smooth and as you pointed out above, not possible with what has to happen when using an auto advance mechanism, nobody else’s is either.
REALLY! What flavor Kool Aid do you like best because you are certainly drinking a lot of it! Either that or your smoking some powerful cigarettes. 😯
And for you I have this answer:
How come the following air guns all have multi shot capability and all are smooth as silk and much easier to cock?
1) FX (not a big fan of the brand but all mine are smooth)
2) Daystate (quality)
3) Theoben (smooth but requires more muscle than above two)
4) Kricket (especially smooth and easy)
In fact, the Daystate can be cocked effortlessly as can the FX and Krickets. The R3M bolt assembly is not smooth and difficult to cock. The advancing mechanism also leaves much to be desired as has been stated numerous times by multiple users.
I am going to take Ed up on his offer to return the gun to Tony but not for a refund but for an exchange. I want to see if this is an inherent issue or if the mechanism needs to be reworked. If the exchange proves to be problematic as does the original, then I will take the time to rework it and see exactly why it is performing the way it is. Obviously, there is an issue. Either this is an issue with all new R3M’s or perhaps mine is a lemon, the exchange will prove which it is. I think mine is a lemon because I was shooting with a friend and his was far different than mine.
On a different note, those of you who own a new R3M, which new R3M do all of you have as posted below:
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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If to sum all your claim, the main one is that I am thinking just about my pocket, sounds unlogical taking into consideration that producing of multi shot verson of R3M cost me more (just due to more detailes in it) but the price for final clients are the same, both in Russia and abroad, it means I took all the expenditures on my side.
Yes, once again, I have rights to change everything in my guns, if those chages makes them better, moreover, I didn’t push anybody to buy my guns, you are free people in free (I hope) country, who are adult enough to take the information, work with it and make a solution either to buy or not, besides in US you have plenty of offers of other guns, just go and buy what you want, so claiming me as I “force” someone to buy my guns at least sounds silly. Brease out and get callm, I am afraid about your heart and blood pressure 🙁
I meant to comment on this earlier and forgot.
Ed,
Have you ever been to the USA?
I shall NOT enter into any kind of verbal “hara-kiri” attempt with you. I have no known track record for calling people “names” in public…..
We have differences in our views, – that’s all…… 😉
I agree though that what ED is doing in terms of communication is a stroke of genius when it comes to marketing. We used to call it “guerilla marketing” in the good old days. And the approach is working apparently. I se nothing wrong in ED making lots of money (if he does, – I am not fully convinced) and being successful in his business. Since when was that a crime ?
Nobody forced you or me or anybody else to buy any of his guns……… 😉
The Apple and Microsoft stories are well known, and have been admitted by both parties.
Btw, – I never claimed to be an airgun expert. I am not. I have five of Ed’s creations though, and I can see for myself how improvements are being materialized in the newer creations. I also have stated that I think ED’s multishots have a long way to go before they reach HW100 standards….
Let’s hope your issue with your own gun gets solved soon.
Your other issues may be slightly more of a problem I think……..
Last word from me on the subject………. 😉
Cheers
Trygve 😀
Loco….
Of all the ass-kissers on here, you have the most brains.
You stated, “what ED is doing in terms of communication is a stroke of genius when it comes to marketing”. Surely you jest! I call it bottom-feeding. That’s not “guerilla marketing” by any means. No matter how you slice it, it’s bottom feeding.
You then state, “Nobody forced you or me or anybody else to buy any of his guns”. You’re absolutely correct and I have a right to expect a working instrument for my $2k. And, if it doesn’t work, I expect a resolution or refund. The bottom-feeder has not been forthcoming with either. He’s a piece of crap.
Listen pinhead….
You are the one with the blinders on. You have no life. You have your head so far up Ed’s ass; more so than anyone on here. I’m a prick for wanting a refund! I’m a prick for wanting a working gun! You’re an asshole. Take your ignorant ass kissing remarks and shove them up Ed’s ass while you live there.
Now, go get a life! In fact, I think eBay sells them.
I actually don´t mean “good” EdGun´s in general. I mean these new MS versions. I had the early MS breech which i received as a kit to replace a blown SS breech and that one wasn´t anything to write home about. I´ve mentioned this several times in several threads.
Movie time. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Is there such thing ?? 😕
I’d love to see someone post a vid of how good their multishot indexes the mag….and MG if you have time to show Ed what problems yours might be having, so we could compare yours to one of the “good” R3M’s.
My dear MG:
I shall NOT enter into any kind of verbal “hara-kiri” attempt with you. I have no known track record for calling people “names” in public…..
We have differences in our views, – that’s all…… 😉
I agree though that what ED is doing in terms of communication is a stroke of genius when it comes to marketing. We used to call it “guerilla marketing” in the good old days. And the approach is working apparently. I se nothing wrong in ED making lots of money (if he does, – I am not fully convinced) and being successful in his business. Since when was that a crime ?
Nobody forced you or me or anybody else to buy any of his guns……… 😉
The Apple and Microsoft stories are well known, and have been admitted by both parties.
Btw, – I never claimed to be an airgun expert. I am not. I have five of Ed’s creations though, and I can see for myself how improvements are being materialized in the newer creations. I also have stated that I think ED’s multishots have a long way to go before they reach HW100 standards….
Let’s hope your issue with your own gun gets solved soon.
Your other issues may be slightly more of a problem I think……..
Last word from me on the subject………. 😉
Cheers
Trygve 😀
MG…I really think you are ignorant. It’s either that or you enjoy hearing yourself complain. I have a life….and I’m sure ITS MUCH BETTER THEN YOURS. You do realize that just about everyone on this forum thinks you’re a prick…do you like being a prick? Do you have any real friends or do you conduct yourself with dignity in there presence? Don’t bad mouth me for stating my opinion which doesn’t attack you as a person. Just return the gun…that’s all there is to it.
Has anybody the breech off their R3M? I’m curious if Ed cleaned up all the tooling marks. Thats been a issue for awhile at least as far back as Zoco reveiw about difficulty cocking and true to form Ed told him to lube it and shoot it 🙄
You are absolutly right in everything, but one, minor thing – there are different types of customers, some of them are called here as “terrorist-customer”, they don’t care about the goods or etc, they always find something to screem about, so there is no way to satisfy them. I am lucky one, I can afford to avoid of such customers 🙂 Besides, I believe you don’t know the background of relashionships between me and MG, that will clear everythig up for you, that is why if I would control who buys my guns I wouldn’t never sell it to him, knowing what will be in result.
Returning to the quality of the gun, I make guns which should be accurate and powerful, they are, even MG has nothing to say about the accuracy, thus I consider I did everything right. If he doesn’t like my guns or some of their features, I offered refund, to me that is the best way for everybody, the producer cannot produce the goods which meet the customer requirrements, so customer return the goods, manufacturer return the money, everybody is happy. Am I right?
Doctor FrankEdstein….
I beg your pardon. I am not screaming about anything. I am complaining about your non-functioning FrankEdstein that you sold me that does not work properly. I own 4 or your Edguns and never complained once. This time I am because you are selling FrankEdstein guns.
And don’t use me for credibility with your FrankEdstein guns for the accuracy issue. You are an unethical POS.
Let me know when you get your head out of Ed’s ass and then you and I can have a discussion. GEESH! I should have “shot the gun for a week”! Get a life you pinhead.
I have the no 1 model I think. Mine is a std. cal.22.
Ordered it just after the official release, and it’s my own fault I did not take delivery earlier than just a few days ago. And I have not been able to shoot her much. Waiting for scoperings etc. Also X-mas takes it’s toll on an old man. I am again leaving for Lanzarote on the 30 th Dec., – so there will not be much time for shooting in the coming weeks. Model no 1 did have the need for some minor changes, and as ED gathered more information and experience from the marketplace, – the model no 2 was developed with minor changes also in the breech/loading mechanism as I understand it. Model 2 was released even before I took delivery of my own model 1. ED’s open dialog and product development philosophy I think is superb. He could easily have pulled back and sold for maximum profits the already existing R3Ms. He didn’t, and we may see new models, new and better features and even new guns in the near future. What do I know……
Using customers as “betatesters” is nothing new in the market place. The best example I can think of may be Apple and “Iphone” where new models are being released even before desiring customers have received the ones they already ordered. Bill Gates and his “Windows” represent the same. As do car manufacturers. Etc. etc. etc…..
Having worked with airguns for some odd 50 years +++, I may have gathered some experience. However as said in my signature, the more I learn about them, – the less I seem to know…. 😳
I have a collection of some 30-40 airguns. Among them are Daystates, Theobens, Air Arms, BSAs, Falcons etc. and not to forget Weirauch HWs in addition to Edguns and Kalibrs. I dare say I think there may have been issues with all of them. May be the BSA R10 rings a bell with some ???
What separate ED and his guns from the rest of the stampede, is the fact that he is here and available to answer questions and listen. I don’t think I have seen on any forum any airgun manufacturer who actually steps down and listens/communicates with his clients like ED does. And there’s proof he listens and takes on board suggestions when time is right. Those of you who have read my old comparison thread and have known the earlier models (R2.5s and R3s), may know how much things have changed.
I do think one should give ED some credit for what he does.
That said, yes there are clearly other multishots out there that perform “out of the box” with more “elegance”. The best and smoothest multishot mechanism I’ve yet tried is that of HW100. Completely effortless cocking via the sidelever, – and it has for me never failed once. There’s a huge difference between HW100 and R3m out of the box when it comes to action smoothness/indexing. But then I did not expect anything but. I shall be back with my final judgement when I have been through a few thousand pellets. What I may clearly enjoy while breaking in, is an accuracy unmatched by most other airguns I’ve tried. And for me the accuracy is what counts the most……..
As for Daystates, – try to fix problems with the “harper-valve” yourself when it fails (and it will)……….. 🙄
The simplicity and “toughness” of the R3s are much more desirable, – at least for this old man here………. 😉
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo 😀
Loco,
Your name says it all! You have your head so far up Ed’s ass that you cannot see daylight. YIPPEE you own 30 or 40 airguns. Does that make you a world class expert? I also own 30 or 40 air rifles with the least expensive being a FX Tarantula. YIPPEE – I’m an idiot like you for investing so much money into this hobby. Oh, how many Edguns do you own? How many? I own 4 so financially we both have a huge investment in the hobby. Now, putting our wealth and fame aside….
Stop making excuses!
Ed sold a FrankEdstein to many of us. You cannot compare Apple and Microsoft to Mr. Ed. Apple and Microsoft fix issues promptly. These are issues they didn’t know about. It’s an entirely different world. You cannot compare iPhone’s to FrankEdsteins. When Apple issues their iPhone V that is all they produce. They don’t give you an iPhone IV case with iPhone V internals. Your comparison is asinine.
Your explanation why Ed is on here is because he gets FREE publicity and advertising without paying for any advertising. Do you see him supporting the sport with his ads on the various forums? All you see is him gloming money from the sport and puts nothing back in. He generates several hundred thousand dollars annually from us and refuses to put an ad on any forum. It’s all about profits without spending any money for promotions. Why should he when he has a free audience here!
And as far as issues with other guns. I don’t need the owner spewing his vile on here to get a gun fixed. If I have a problem with any other gun, I can return it to several resellers for a refund, replacement without issue as I have in the past. I can also email the manufacturer for a resolution as I have in the past so Mr. Ed is offering nothing different than any other manufacturer except the opportunity to say I know him online to boost ones own self importance.
Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then you add more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!
He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.
Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…
Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot guns! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated!
He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frastrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.
And he thinks that’s right!
He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.
Hi Zocoloco,
old man, you nailed it :D.
An R3M with that new sexy moderator, sidelever and effortless and butter smooth cycling (like HW100) would be a milestone for a while.
Obviously with 2000 shots per fill and max deviation of 1 fps on the whole shot string.
With this we could do for a while and patiently wait for the semi-auto version first and the full-auto after.
The ultimate version would be a pocketable full-auto .50 cal without the need of refilling compressed air.
Have a nice time in sunny Lanzarote 😀 😀 😀
ATB
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Have you ever been to the USA?
Yes, I’ve been staying in USA for about a month, New York, Boston, Syracuse.
Ed