Edgun: Not In Defense of the auto mechanism without Kool Aid
In another thread there were some claims that are out there. In fact, so far out there that I decided and feel this topic deserves its own thread but without ass kissing and without Kool Aid.
So, here is the statement that I dispute:
Show me to problems it is causing with loading or accuracy or you are full of hot air and wasting words. I am headed to the range, for some more 30 yard testing and breakin due to cold and convenience of it. 100 will be the deal but not for me today. i’ll leave it to you warm weather guys.
I have taken the liberty of cutting his diatribe for the sake of brevity to focus in on the the real issue.
Ok, I just got in from shooting for over 3 hours. I went through a bunch of pellets and as I have previously stated, the issue was not with accuracy as I confirmed today. Shooting my 25 cal long R3M was just as accurate as my single shot R3’s. The accuracy was good and I’m talking out to 100 to 120 yards where I was able to consistently pound 3/4 and 1″ targets most of the day. It took about 500 to 600 pellets to get it to this state of accuracy. No complaint there.
The closest targets are at 100 yards, then 110 yards and lastly the two in the back near the white Romney sign are at 120 yards. Those targets are great fun to shoot at! No comments about the Romney signs as we are keeping the dream alive. 🙂
Now to address the real issue:
The multi shot is still not indexing properly 100% of the time. There were moments where it didn’t index and I shot puffs of air. The bolt is not smooth and as you pointed out above, not possible with what has to happen when using an auto advance mechanism, nobody else’s is either.
REALLY! What flavor Kool Aid do you like best because you are certainly drinking a lot of it! Either that or your smoking some powerful cigarettes. 😯
And for you I have this answer:
How come the following air guns all have multi shot capability and all are smooth as silk and much easier to cock?
1) FX (not a big fan of the brand but all mine are smooth)
2) Daystate (quality)
3) Theoben (smooth but requires more muscle than above two)
4) Kricket (especially smooth and easy)
In fact, the Daystate can be cocked effortlessly as can the FX and Krickets. The R3M bolt assembly is not smooth and difficult to cock. The advancing mechanism also leaves much to be desired as has been stated numerous times by multiple users.
I am going to take Ed up on his offer to return the gun to Tony but not for a refund but for an exchange. I want to see if this is an inherent issue or if the mechanism needs to be reworked. If the exchange proves to be problematic as does the original, then I will take the time to rework it and see exactly why it is performing the way it is. Obviously, there is an issue. Either this is an issue with all new R3M’s or perhaps mine is a lemon, the exchange will prove which it is. I think mine is a lemon because I was shooting with a friend and his was far different than mine.
On a different note, those of you who own a new R3M, which new R3M do all of you have as posted below:
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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I also got my r3m 25 cal long last week and I have the same issue with my mag that you have .I have the#2 .The gun shoots like a dream but .I put true close to 250 pellets and cleaned it 2 times and re lubed with moly and silicone grease with not having to see much improvement. The magazine just doesn’t rotate far enough. I think our friend ed needs to go back to the drawing board and take a look at a side lever like a air arms s510 I haven’t decided what I’m going to do next. I believe that ed goofed up on this design. Visegrip
way nicer than the Cricket
You are right Manny. Rainstorm has butter smooth Side lever multi shot that works every time even with big Eun Jin pellets. Just saying. BTW the cricket mechanism works like a charm too. But loading the clip when it’s half full and getting it on the right hole is a challenge
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Sounds like you got a proverbial lemon. I bought a GM auto one time (and never again) and got the lemon. 🙁
I too had same issue with indexing and probe not being smooth to pull back.
Issue was easily resolved by taking apart the breech, cleaning and re lubing with Mobil 1 Syn Red grease.
It is now functions as advertised. Nice firm, smooth, fast pull and it works great.
Yeah, I added the grease, worked it in and still nothing. The fast pull or not even fast, just even pull works best but it’s still not forwarding like it is supposed to. I gave it a good workout today but no cigar.
I too had same issue with indexing and probe not being smooth to pull back.
Issue was easily resolved by taking apart the breech, cleaning and re lubing with Mobil 1 Syn Red grease.
It is now functions as advertised. Nice firm, smooth, fast pull and it works great.
Yeah, I added the grease, worked it in and still nothing. The fast pull or not even fast, just even pull works best but it’s still not forwarding like it is supposed to. I gave it a good workout today but no cigar.
Will Ed still be offering the R3 25 in SS?
no excuse for a poor/hard cocking/indexing mechanism on a 2 grand gun,……even the lowly Rainstorm has a Butter, and I mean “Butter Smooth” cocking action 🙂
way nicer than the Cricket
My .25 R3M standard came with the #2 style. I thought all of the R3M’s were supposed to come that way?
Mine is model #1. R3M .22 std.
As from the start of the Edgun bullpup its progressive product evolution, the parts were made in batches.. both types can store the mags but the new version will just align them evenly and make them easier to slide in without scratching the anodizing.
Is it possible that one is an R3M while the other is an R3 with the multishot conversion? If Im not mistaken other parts of the world have already gotten some of the conversions.
That sucks…you order a R3M and some don’t have the cut outs on below he rail to put your mags???….I’d be pissed.
Mine is “model #2” R3M .25 Std.
I too had same issue with indexing and probe not being smooth to pull back.
Issue was easily resolved by taking apart the breech, cleaning and re lubing with Mobil 1 Syn Red grease.
It is now functions as advertised. Nice firm, smooth, fast pull and it works great.
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It is beyond my understanding — accuracy is OK but indexing sucks, so the gun is shit! 🙂 Just consider it as two way indexing, by bolt moveent back – first stage indexing, by bolt movement foward – second stage indexing, the rusult – accuarte shot! 🙂
As for the mag storage, I do make changes as soon as I have possibility to and see the way I have to go, thus guns are different from batch to batch, can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frastrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price? I didnt anounce multi shot until the clients got them. I have right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients if the changes are pointed to improve the gun.
Frankly speaking I am very glad that you make a wise decision to return the gun, as some sensitive people say that my guns have souls, that is true, so if you don’t love it, it will pay you back 🙂
Ed