FFP scopes
Well I went and done it, been looking at entry level/cost FFP scopes for the last week and was really looking at the Falcon Menace 4-14×44 until someone commented that BSA has one (Midway exclusive not even on BSA site) that is an almost exact copy except for the turrets, that is rumored to be made by the same company. So went ahead and ordered both, BSA from Midway and the Falcon from SWFA. Figure I’ll check them out and keep the better of the two.
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Ok, how many mils should a person need? I had a normal mil dot scope that ran out of dots at the 24x setting and a getting Ffp next hoping that will help some. My current leepers had enough dots and I know hawke has mil dots going across the entire view. The falcon shows the measurement from center to bottom mark on reticle as 10 mils. I’m not great with this stuff, but that should be way more than enough for 100 yards if I’m zeroed at 75, right? I’d love to be able to zero at 35-45.
I now have two of those BSA Tacticals FFP from MidwayUSA.
I LOVE THEM!
Very crisp, Very Bright and very easy to range because of Mill-Mill reticle.
-FFP reticle scopes allow you to hold over and range at all magnifications in the available range. If the reticle is MIL then 1 MIL is 1 MIL no matter the magnification. If the reticle is MOA then the same is true.
-Your ability to hold over at long range will be dependent on having a reticle which has the appropriate # of MILS available no matter if it’s single or first focal plane.
-Your ability to dial elevation at long range will be dependent on the # of MILS your elevation turret has up from zero.
On a good scope the POI doesn´t change when the mag is changed – whether a FFP or SFP. The Falcon is a Chinese scope but they have a UK management – much like Hawke & MTC. Falcon is also overly heavy.
Should have worded that differently. I ment on a ffp you can shoot a shot that impact at 3rd mil dot and then zoom in and repeat the same shot and will still be the 3rd mil dot.
Sorry responding by phone so sure theres errors.
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My thoughts exactly!
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The mil dot separation does not change with magnification.
If you are shooting 1000 yards with a 308 you NEED a FFP scope, otherwise you’d run out of elevation travel and mildots for holdover (360″ drop at 1000 yards, +/- 36MOA).
Schmidt&Bender makes some amazing FFP scopes!!!
You can shoot 1000 yards with a SFP scope just fine, there are many that have sufficient elevation travel for that. And if you are shooting 1000 yards, you probably have a 20MOA rail anyway.
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Mr. Ville 😉 can you make some pictures through your Delta at miscellaneous magnification. I have had in past Delta Titanium 4-16×42 and it was a great scope. For me one disadvantage – front AO. I like side paralax.
On a good scope the POI doesn´t change when the mag is changed – whether a FFP or SFP. The Falcon is a Chinese scope but they have a UK management – much like Hawke & MTC. Falcon is also overly heavy.
for me,,,, I didn’t know that,,, thanks
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Donny, If they have a good quality erector assembly, It won’t matter What power you sight in at. That is the beauty of the FFP Scopes! 😉 😀
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The mil dot separation does not change with magnification.
If you are shooting 1000 yards with a 308 you NEED a FFP scope, otherwise you’d run out of elevation travel and mildots for holdover (360″ drop at 1000 yards, +/- 36MOA).
Schmidt&Bender makes some amazing FFP scopes!!!
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On one of my .25 setups using jsb 25.4 at 930fps with a 30 yard zero there is 13.75″ drop at 100 yards.
13.75″ @ 100 yards = 13.75MOA
If you have MOA turrets you could dial up 13.75MOA and that would put you on at 100 yards. If you prefer the speed of holding over then see below.
because 3.438MOA = 1 MIL, then 13.75MOA = 3.999 MILS soooooooo…
If you’re using a second focal plane scope with a MIL reticle and the magnification is where the manufacturer states the milling reticle is calibrated then you would hold over 4 MILS at 100 yards. All milling reticles have more than 4 MILS down so 10 is more than enough.
A first focal plane reticle will do nothing to change this except that it will allow you to accurately hold over at any magnification.
Not sure what you mean that your normal scope ran out of dots at 24x but as long as that reticle has 4 MILS down and you’re using it at the magnification stated as calibrated for milling then you should be able to zero at 30 yards and hold over for 100 no problem(given your rifle is shooting fast enough)