Going for pistol licence soon……..
What would be a good choice for a first time pistol owner? Self defense/competition $400. $500. range
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Well, Lama gave you some good advice, pistols, just like women, choose the one that feels the best.
Roachcreek
I can shoot the Glock pretty well also (no trick shooting yet). The Glock just does not feel as comfortable in my hand. My trigger finger always seems to naturally rub against the trigger guard and starts to get raw after a while. The Sig trigger blade is curved and keeps my finger off the guard.
For years I had been shooting a Ruger standard auto that was silenced. I could shoot cartridge cases thrown in the air and practiced almost daily on aireal shooting, I lived where you could do that.
When I tried the Glock it felt natural, why? The grip frame angle was almost identical, the Glock was a natural for me, soon I owned several.
The 40 is a handful, it is loud, it is just not as pleasant to shoot as the 9mm, however, with the expanding bullets, it blows up small game like rabbits and porcupines like a 223..
It is not a bear gun however, I suspect the 10MM would be closer.
But then your not hunting bears are you?
Roachcreek
Only if you mean bear naked ladies. 😆
I resisted the Glock for a few years, after I retired ,my Department went to the Glock. Finially years ago I shot one.
For years I had been shooting a Ruger standard auto that was silenced. I could shoot cartridge cases thrown in the air and practiced almost daily on aireal shooting, I lived where you could do that.
When I tried the Glock it felt natural, why? The grip frame angle was almost identical, the Glock was a natural for me, soon I owned several.
The 40 is a handful, it is loud, it is just not as pleasant to shoot as the 9mm, however, with the expanding bullets, it blows up small game like rabbits and porcupines like a 223..
It is not a bear gun however, I suspect the 10MM would be closer.
But then your not hunting bears are you?
Roachcreek
So I went back to the range today. I put 100 rounds through a Ruger MKIII target pistol. The MK III is a nice pistol accurate, but it must have jammed on me once for each magazine I put through it. Now that could be because it is a range gun. whatever.
Anyway after that I wanted to shoot the .40 cal again. This time I asked for the Sig .40 and he hands me a P226 Elite. I am in love with this pistol. Fits just right in my hand. It has a comfortable grip. The weight is just right. I was shooting really nice groups with it to. It is a little out of the money I was hoping only to spend but, welll I will have to make an exception if I want to own that gun.
Funny you bring this up. My friends father, who has had just about every firearm known to man has taken up carrying the FN57, he loves it.
I believe federal agents are adopting this pistol for everyday carry.
Basically a shortened 223/5.56 cartridge… 1700-2100fps muzzle velocity. From a HANDGUN… 😯
One issue with the Glock in 40 is when ammo became harder to find the 40 round was really hard to find. The 40 is really a racegun for Glock. It’s supposed to compete with the Kimber and hotrodded 45 pistols and can be had with compensated barrels and a ported frame. I was leaning toward this caliber but found that the ammo can be a long shot.
Glocks fit in my hands like they were made for me (I got big hands). The Kimber Colts do not. As much as you can train yourself to have an aimed hold when you quickly grab and raise the pistol, having a naturally aimed grip makes things much easier. I can grab and raise a Glock and it’s aimed correctly, with a few other pistols I have to adjust my aim after I bring it up on target.
One is a natural extension of my arm and the other needs to be aimed intentionally. DFor the price of these pistols having the cool and hip model at the expense of fit and feel isn’t a good idea.
Next time out to the range try the pistols in the reverse order of the first time to be sure fatigue wasn’t making things different on the last pistol. And give them all the from bench to target test for the one that has the best natural aim. It could be the difference between a hit and a miss.
I was thinking of that. Thank you. 🙂
Funny you bring this up. My friends father, who has had just about every firearm known to man has taken up carrying the FN57, he loves it.
I believe federal agents are adopting this pistol for everyday carry.
Basically a shortened 223/5.56 cartridge… 1700-2100fps muzzle velocity. From a HANDGUN… 😯
One issue with the Glock in 40 is when ammo became harder to find the 40 round was really hard to find. The 40 is really a racegun for Glock. It’s supposed to compete with the Kimber and hotrodded 45 pistols and can be had with compensated barrels and a ported frame. I was leaning toward this caliber but found that the ammo can be a long shot.
Glocks fit in my hands like they were made for me (I got big hands). The Kimber Colts do not. As much as you can train yourself to have an aimed hold when you quickly grab and raise the pistol, having a naturally aimed grip makes things much easier. I can grab and raise a Glock and it’s aimed correctly, with a few other pistols I have to adjust my aim after I bring it up on target.
One is a natural extension of my arm and the other needs to be aimed intentionally. DFor the price of these pistols having the cool and hip model at the expense of fit and feel isn’t a good idea.
Next time out to the range try the pistols in the reverse order of the first time to be sure fatigue wasn’t making things different on the last pistol. And give them all the from bench to target test for the one that has the best natural aim. It could be the difference between a hit and a miss.
From what I have been told, it can be a $5000 premium pistol, and you can tell the second you pick it up if you will be able to shoot it well or not, based on how good it feels in your hand. So that’s probably why the H&K didn’t do well, just not the gun for you.
It’s been a while since I shot one, and I haven’t done any research to see if it is reliable or not, but I really liked the “baby” desert eagle. I shot it in .45 and it shot very well. So that could be another one to try.
Lots of options, buy what feels good. 😀
I just got back from the pistol range where I shot a 9mm Sig Sauer P226. I really liked the way this pistol fit in my hand. I did not how ever like the amount of take up that seemed to be in the trigger at first. but quikly got used to it. I shot good groups at 25′
Then I shot a .40 Glock G22. I liked the Glock .40 Every thing just feels right to me on the Glock. I was able to shoot nice groups with the Glock.
Then I shot an H&K .40 I think it was the USP model. I could not shoot this pistol as well as the others. I do not know why. Maybe I was tired after shooting the other two pistols maybe I was rushing the shots more but I just could not get any good groups with this pistol. I know I did not like the way it felt in my hand so maybe that is all it was.
I could feel why alot of people like the .40 over 9mm. It does seem to have more power to it then the 9mm does. However I felt I was shooting better with the 9mm then with either of the .40. I think I would need just a little more practice with the .40 to be proficient with it.
Men shoot .45 ACP to kill people with.
If you have girl hands shoot something else.
If price isn’t so much an issue HK makes some nice handguns. Looking closer to 1k but way worth it!
I went out to the range yesterday and was the only guy that was on the range without a cover. I do it to be nice to others, because under the cover where everyone is, my braked blaser is brutal to everyone shooting.
Anyway, guy pulled up and asked if he could do a few penetration tests, setting milkjugs up in line on the bench, and shooting them from about 15 feet back. He was going to be about 30 yards away on the other side of my section, so I said sure, no problem.
So he set up 4 in a line, taped them tight, and put a dot on the front. I joined him to watch, because it seemed like it would be cool. He had a glock in 9mm. I asked him what he was looking for, as far as the bullet being penetrative and expanding enough. He said it should come to rest in the 3rd bottle, and expand reliably. So, he lined up and shot. First bottle exploded, second came apart, and third had a good hole in the front. And sure enough, the bullet was resting in the third one. He pulled it out, and it had opened up just like it should have. It was a pretty cool thing to see.
I asked him about how other bullets did. He only had one other caliber pistol he tested, which was (I think) a .380. He said doing the same test was very interesting with it. He said shooting the 4 in a line would do the same, it would come to rest in the third bottle and have expanded reliably. So by that it may seem like a good round. But he said the way the bottles reacted was very different. He said it made them jump. The 9mm made the first bottle blow off the table, and the second one not far from it.
There is no substitute for real experience, as wok said. Numbers are a starting point, but they don’t tell the real story. Look at the FN fiveseven pistol. Strange little bullet, tiny but fast. The online folks will tell you the numbers, and how it won’t have the power to drop someone. But it got its first real test in a very unfortunate way at fort hood. Those shooting were done with that pistol, and by all accounts anyone who was hit dropped like a rock.
There is absolutely no substitute for real world results. I don’t care what the numbers are, if it works it works, if it doesn’t it doesn’t. Some are more effective than others. Numbers are no substitute for the real thing.
Thanks Adam
I Will check it out after work
Watch this 8 part series it is some great information
This weekend I plan on range testing a few different cals.
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the MkIII is prolly been beat on
i have run 2000 or mor rds through mine with only jams and those i suspected low power due to bad ammo
i have seen some people have issues with jamming nnot frequently though if a new one give any trouble ruger will replace or fix for free
i love mine