Just got my 30 cal R3 long off of the UPS truck
Just tracked the UPS driver down. Last night, I was just like a kid on Christmas Eve, I couldn’t sleep a wink.
More pics and info to follow.
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That’s some funny shit! I like how nobody acknowledges your post :3:
You need to repost that video up a level with something like “Edgun Matador Is The Best” in the title. 😛 I nearly missed it.
Hey guys, I have no clue why but: I just have to check the Yellow out a couple of times a day. I don’t know why!
They have a topic: Best Long Range PCP Rifle.
Steve had to jump in with his video of him shooting a lolly pop at 100 yards with his FX. He goes on to say that it is FX all of the way for him..
It took me a couple of hours to upload my video of me shooting my 25 cal R3 long at .479” wide 7 mm Mauser casings at 100 yards. The topic is here and I think that my post will soon be deleted as it shows the Matador in a good light.
I am oldgoat over there, here and oldgoat33 on youtube. I’m hdtb3 on photobucket, please feel free to brouse.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387842639/Best+long+range+pcp+rifle
If Steve deletes my post: here is what I posted.
Well, here is a crappy video of me shooting my crappy 25 cal R3 Matador long at .479 inch wide 7 mm Mauser shells at 100 yards. The video was shot at my gun club; they also have a large pond that people can camp, fish and party at. You can hear the music in the background.
Sorry for the crappy video and my crappy shooting. At least the people at the party were having a good time!
Maybe one of these days, I will buy a good shooting long range air gun and learn how to shoot it.
I just got a 30 cal R3 Matador long and I can’t wait for the central Illinois weather to get better so I can see how crappy it shoots.
I expect it to shoot crappy also!
The 30 cal is my 6th Matador: I guess that I will never learn!
I just thought that you guys would enjoy my stab at humor and also the way that my video shows Steve up!
Believe me: friends don’t let friends buy a FX!
Thanks OG. appreciate the knowledge. all these tear down pics help put my mind at ease before i tear into anything. 😀
happy holidays.
Update – I tried removing the moderator nut, and when i thought I got it loose, the whole barrel came out with moderator still attached. what do I need to do to get that nut loose? I shot about 130 shots today and have noticeable clipping and would like to get that fixed.
thanks.
lars
Nice photos of the regs. So it looks like Ed modified up the reg air space and ports a bit but left the same valve. The B washers look the same. OG – It will be interesting to see the shot string from your 30 long once you tune it.
I doubt that the hammer springs are the same between .25 and .30 cal.
I had the .30 cal breech off today and manually cock the hammer back with my finger, it was Very hard! Does not feels the same as .25.
They may look the same to the naked eye, but they may have different tensions,
john
Lars-atx, once the larger front moderator is removed from the 30 cal, the barrel is still screwed into the front breech block and it needs to be unscrewed to be removed. It is the same setup that the 22 and 25 cal R3s use except the front moderator is larger and offset from the bore of the barrel.
The 30 cal uses a nut to hold the larger front moderator on whereas the 22 and 25 cal R3s have a bore concentric baffle that has a nut that is built into the baffle. All of the R3s use a method of tensioning the barrel and that tension also locates the baffle, rear moderator tube and the part that holds the scope rail.
Yes, the 30 cal R3s holes are offset and they allow the shot air pressure to go into the rear moderator air tube.
Boelick, the air valve/regulator assembly was sent to me from Ed around 6-8 months ago. I don’t know if the newest 25 cal R3 regulators have been changed. I got my 25 cal R3 long around a year ago. A fellow 25 cal R3 long owner had major problems with his Matador and he asked me to look at it.
When I got his gun, I found out that the regulator was defective. I tried swapping bits and pieces from my reg into his housing and I just couldn’t get any of my parts to work in his housing and solve the problem. Ed and Tony were working with me on this problem.
I spent 10-12 hours messing with it and I just couldn’t figure out WTF was going on! I ended up putting my complete air valve/regulator assembly into his gun, tuning it and sending the gun back to him.
IIRC, I got his gun tuned to the point that it had a 69 shot regulated shot count string that had an extreme spread of 9 fps and the shot to shot variation was .9 fps!
I offered to buy the gun off of him: he wasn’t interested in selling it!
BASTARD! 😆
I still see him posting here about his shot strings and also about how happy he is with the gun.
Ed and Tony replaced the regulator and I put it in my 25 cal long.
To this day: I don’t know WTF was wrong with that air valve/reg assembly!
As far as the 30 cal air valve/regulator assembly working in the 25 cal R3 long, I was going to PM/Email Ed and ask if it would.
THEN; I had a brainstorm/brainfart: DUH, instead of asking; WHY don’t I just put the 30 cal assembly into my 25 cal R3 and find out?
Sometimes, this 61 year old, senile oldgoat surprises himself with an original thought! 😆
Sometimes! 😳
Wingman, I will remove the 25 and 30 cal hammer springs, measure them and post the results tomorrow. It is too late for me to do it tonight. My Starrett digital calipers have some very sharp points on them and I might injure myself tonight trying to do any measurements in my current state.
Wingman, I am still at my local bar. NOW you have me wondering if the HST spring has been changed from the 25 to the 30?
I’m now REALLY glad that I didn’t put the guns back together! I will measure the springs when I get home and post the results. I will also answer the 2 other guys questions then also.
I really hate replying to TAG forum questions with my IPhone!
Thanks OG.. what about the hammer spring? Same one as the .22 and .25 just wound up?
Stupid question OG, the 25 regulator, is that a new one or is that an older one? Ed had answered someone elses question if the 30’s regulator could be used in the 25 and he replied “same”. Forgive me if I got this info wrong as I’ve not had a regulated air rifle before and this is all new to me.
Thanks Wingman. Good question! The air valves looked the same so, I didn’t measure them!
I was just heading out the door for a pizza and some beer when I thought to check the TAG one more time. I’m glad that I did, if I had got to the bar and saw your question about the air valve rods being the same, it would have bothered me until I got back home and measured them! 😳
I was also going to put both guns back together before I left for the bar. It is getting late here and I decided to reassemble them tomorrow, I’m glad that I didn’t put them back together! I would have had to take both back apart again tonight after I got home from the bar and measure the air valve rods.
The floor on the air valve rod spring stop is the same depth on the 25 and 30 cals. The 25 has a 1.6 mm aluminum spacer between the floor and the end of the spring. The 30 cal doesn’t have that spacer. It isn’t needed due to the reduced depth air valve rod sealing face on the 30 cal. The reduced depth puts the same preload on the 30 cal spring as the extra spacer does on the 25.
The plastic ends of the 25 and 30 cal rods are identical. The steel ends are 42.15 mm long for the 25 cal and 45.55 mm long for the 30 cal. The 30 cal needs to have a longer steel end because of the reduced depth of the air valve rod sealing lip on the 30 cal makes the front of the housing longer. I tried the 25 cal rod in the 30 cal housing and the hammer end of the 25 cal rod didn’t even come out flush with the brass hammer stop that the air valve rod slides thru.
Time for some pizza and beer! :8:
A few quick (hopefully) questions.
As you remove the bafflenut for the large moderator, will that also unscrew the barrel assembly?
If I remember from the other teardown pics, there is the large 30 cal moderator that is attached via that 12mm nut, then the standard baffle tube the rest of the length of the barrel. is that like the .22 cal moderators that screw on at some point and have internal baffles as well?
are those rear port holes connected/aligned w/ the smaller diameter moderator/tube? (hope these questions make sense)
thanks in advance,
lars
That info is gold to us Wildcatters OG.. Thanks a bunch!
Is the poppet valve the same on the .25 and 30cal?
Here are the changes that Ed has made on the 30 cal compared to the 25 cal.
The 25 cal air valve housing is on the left. The 25 has a 6.27 mm ID hole in the air valve rod passage, the 30 cals ID is 7.01 mm. The base of the air valve chamber is 17.87 mm deep on the 25 and 16.20 mm deep on the 30. The shortened depth on the 30 cal is needed for the increased transfer port ID.
You can see larger transfer port hole on the 30 cal. The 25 measures 5.58 mm, the 30 is 6.03 mm. The 30 cal has a 14.76 mm spacer that increases the regulated pressure plenum. The 25 cal regulator housing measures 30.35 mm OD, the 30 cal has been turned down to 28.75 mm OD. The 25 cal uses 3, 25 mm X 3mm O rings, the 30 cal uses 2 25 mm X 3 mm O rings and a 18.5 mm X 3 mm O ring for the regulator housing. My 30 cal is shooting the 46 grain JSBs at 948 fps, the regulator is marked 130 bar; that can’t be right.
I turned the regulator down to the 6 O’clock position for starters. I want it to shoot at 885 fps when I get it set.
On the 30 cal, the air tube is thicker where the front end of the turned down regulator fits. The 25 also has an increase in air tube thickness just in front of where the front regulator seals. The 25 cal looks like the increase in air tube thickness is not as great as the 30 cal. I don’t know as I don’t have any way of measuring that far down into the air tube.
The complete 30 cal air valve/regulator assembly will fit into my 25 cal but, I don’t know if the smaller O ring will be able to seal in the 25 cal. I put the 25 cal regulator housing on the 30 cal air valve housing and it wouldn’t insert into the 25 cal air tube fully. The extra spacer on the 30 cal made the assembly too long for the 25 cal air tube and the 25 cal regulator end hit the increased thickness in the 25 air tube.
I need to find out from Ed if the complete 30 cal air valve/regulator assembly will fit and seal in the 25.
This photo shows the added regulated pressure plenum spacer and also has a better view of the turned down regulator housing on the 30 cal. The actual regulator’s internals seem to be the same for the 25 and 30 cals.
This photo shows the air valve rod spring stop, left to right is the 22, 25 and 30 cal. The 30 cals added holes will allow more air flow.
Here is a photo of the baffle nut removal tool and the alignment rod that I made. The picture doesn’t show it too well but, the hex tool has been drilled out to .320” to allow the small end of the tool to be inserted into the 30 cals bore. The 30 cal uses two different size O rings in the groovs of the baffle. The large one is 33 X 2 mm and the small one is 16.5 X 2.5.
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A few years ago, Johnny FX from Sweden promotes his FX. He was saying how beautiful and accurate his guns are. He claimed FX are the best in the world!!!! Steve got sick and tired of Johnny for promoting (without paying) he gave Johnny the boot between the cheeks!!!!You do not hear from Johnny again. Now FX stepped in and offered sponsorship, suddenly Steve had taken Johnny’s place.
Hey guys, don’t take me serious. I am just observing the facts and connecting between the lines. Of course I could be wrong. Don’t take my words for it.
Yellow is still a wonder place for informations. I respect that It has some of the most knowledgeable people on the planet. I am one of them.
just kidding. You can talk about air guns, but cannot promote them and not pay!!