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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

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Hi,

I was able to shoot some yesterday and after sighting in, I was able to put the pellets where I wanted. No loss of accuracy at all. At 25 yrds, I can easily hit the star on Newcastle bottle caps. It is amazing how quiet it is now.

I will try to shoot some long distance groups ASAP with pics. For now, I will be happy practicing at 25 yrds. I will mess with the trigger and try to lighten the pull. I was pulling a few shots to the right. I need to work on my technique as well by pulling the trigger straight back and following through. If I do both, nothing but one holers 😀

Gabe

A tip if you are having a bit of trouble with the Edgun trigger not returning to the full forward position after being fired.

Mine was not returning to full front position after each shot. This would sometimes prevent the bolt from cocking. Now, the trigger was set to perfection on first and second stage. After examining it, I found the trigger is held in one place by a pin that goes through a brass washer on each side of the trigger, with the trigger wedged in between.

One of the brass washers had gotten “corroded” somehow, and the trigger was being held back by friction.

The fix was easy. Knocked out the pin, the trigger and both washers dropped out. They don’t attach to anything, just three separate pieces. I took my dremel and polished the sides of the trigger where it met the brass washers. Then I polished the brass washers, both sides. Reinstalled everything and the trigger still stuck in the fired position.

So…I took the assembly apart and dremeled (ground) both of the brass washers lightly on one side, the rough side, probably removed 1000th of an inch total. Siliconed them, stuck them in place, popped in the trigger and in went the pin.

Now the trigger moves back into firing position/cocking position without any problems at all. It was simply too tight between the two brass washers. It didn’t take much to fix it and there is NO way you can go wrong because the three pieces and one pin don’t attached to anything, just each other.

It’s a small triumph, but a hard one to find. It was one of several trigger adjustments made to this gun. Two owners before me, and they really screwed the trigger adjustment up bad. Now it shoots as good…better in fact…than any New Edgun I’ve owned.

This might help someone if they happen to be having fine detail adjustment problems with the trigger assembly/linkage. One of many problems that can take place but are not readily identifiable.

H 😯 😯 t

PS: Someone else had previously adjusted the linkage and two adjustment screws to perfection. This last little detail just happened to pop up after I got it back. I’m glad it happened this way because I absolutely knew the linkage and adjustment screws were not suspect. That left only the trigger and those two nasty little brass washers. Actually I’m not that smart, but the situation reduced the suspects to three pieces and I got real lucky.

🙄
Please let us know what results you ‘re getting…

Looking Good Meech!
NC does very nice work. 😀
On he suggestion of Tofas, I picked up a 4-5 gal. bucket at Lowes and two bags of their Rubber Mulch. Stuffed the mulch in and WaLa! 😀

I simply staple the targets on the lid with the bucket lying on its side, lid toward my shooting bench. And its dead silent.

Best part is that I can now recover fully the .257 bullets for re-casting. Gotta love it when a plan comes together! :8:

KnifeMaker

Hi All,

I got my Neil Clague two piece carbon fiber this afternoon. The shroud portion simply screws on to the barrel and is able to be hand tightened for a secure attachment. Much like the oem shroud deal. Everything is tight. I have no worries about shifting or any kind of movement. With the LDC, it is absolutely quiet. It as quiet as my Clague shrouded cricket. The only difference is the sound of the impact with the .25 being obviously louder than the .22. My only concern now is making a my silent trap more silent. I will try more duct seal and some old pieces of carpet in front of the duct seal.

I will shoot some this weekend and see how she does in the accuracy department. I am confident it will group well as usual. As I mentioned, the set up is rock solid.

The carbon fiber twill pattern look great. It add an aesthetically appealing appearance to the gun. Like it was meant to be that way. Notice the cap that Neil made. He also made me an extension that is almost as quiet as the LDC. Check it out.






Everything was received. I’ve decided to go with the two piece Neil shroud/LDC. It simply suits my purposes best and I like the CF looks on the gun.

I tried the one piece unit and also decided to go for the two piece cf shroud. Neil has my gun right now. He is custom fitting the shroud to the barrel. Remember, I have the first of the r3 model and there differences between the 3 and “3.5”.

Hoot, did you get the one piece shroud? Thanks got letting me try it out 😀

Gabe

Hard cash put that custom NC device on my Edgun Long .25 caliber. It was my original order with Neil Clague.

This originally started as a “one off” device, as Neil at that time didn’t make anything for an Edgun. I sent him my gun to use for measurements, and he created what I asked for. He even came up with a one piece alternative. I chose to stay with the two piece CF shroud because that’s what I originally wanted.

After I posted the results, the NC Edgun shroud became available for the rest of the forum members, and at a very reasonable price too, for a custom made shroud! Worth every penny I invested, and more. Silence, to me, is a lot cheaper than a bail bondsman!

Whatever happened to Neil’s CF moderator? Is it still being passed around like the Stanley Cup?

quote synopsys:

Hard to tell, I don’t know how these were recorded exactly. We could be hearing some wind noise, the pellet impacting the towel in front of the back stop, room echo. I’ll make a few recordings with different mics and mic locations when I do mine.

My 177 EdGun gets over 150 shots per fill, hard to believe there is any wasted air from the hammer bouncing. 😯 I’m sure the hammer strike action in mine is a lot less harsh with the lower caliber.

I’ve done the hammer killing mod for two of my guns and in both the shot count went up by 25-30%. The other one is my .177 Scorpion SE and it gets 130 12 fpe shots from a 325mm long air cylinder.

Those recording showing the action noise and separate muzzle were actually made with those small earphones that you stuck in your ear. One was against the gun breech and the other was hels some 10cm away from the muzzle. Since they are not built as microphones and thus are not very sensitive they do work well for this application.

We’re almost half way to catching Zuculucu’s thread.

Keep it up :7:

Gabe

😆

I asked my wife. However she was a full bottle of wine and half a pepperoni pizza in by the time I asked so her
conclusions are suspect.

Shit Demp, meters cannot be trusted, yours is probably busted anyways, grab some homeless guy off the corner and ask him what is louder! :mrgreen:

My 25 modded shroud gave me a 64 on iPhone app.
My digital spl meter that I used to use in auto sound competitions gave me 62db A weight,slow and fast.
That meter has been within 1/2db to spectrum analyzers we used to map the vehicles acoustical sound curve.
I trust its accuracy.
All measurements taken from 45* and 3ft from barrel in an open field so no pellet impact or echo enhancement to reading.
In my backyard with fence 8 ft away the measurements are 2db louder.
JSB 25.4 @885fps

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