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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

EdGun

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sometimes it’s best to let people assume your stupid than to open your mouth and prove your are. With that being said I had an idea but have no clue if it would work but will open my mouth here only to surely put my foot in it. My thoughts on quitting the hammer noise would be to incorporate a dead blow hammer similar to a machanics dead blow hammer. Hammer being built out of hard fortified plastic that is weighted internally. I’m thinking this would eliminate much of the noise. Ever used a machanics dead blow hammer, quite and the energy gets directed and delivered to the directed object. Just an idea I had for what little its worth and yes I probably should have kept quite!

Hoot,

I think the hammer hits the brass nut as part of the firing cycle which may be the cause of the noise. I don’t know for sure, just a thought. If somehow a delrin washer can be placed on the face of the brass nut, it may act as a buffer between the hammer and nut. As long as the valve travel is not affected, this can be something to consider. It should eliminate metal to metal contact. The washer would also need to be removable so it can be replaced when it wears out.

This idea can be tested by crazy glueing a sized delrin washer on the face of the nut. If it stops the slap sound, next test would be to crony the gun to see if the valve travel is affected thus a fluctuation in velocity more than the acceptable range of the regulated velocity.

I wouldn’t mess with the hammer because that may mess with the striking consistency over time.

I wish I could illustrate my idea but hopefully you get the gist.

Gabe G

Why can’t you wrap the hammer with some sort of foam or rubber apoxy to eliminate the metal on metal slap

Well done! It’s so simple. All you are doing is taking an explosive level gas pressure, and allowing it to vent to sub-explosive levels in the few nano-seconds before it exits the muzzle.

This is such an easy and effective sound reduction modification, I don’t understand why Ed doesn’t use this idea as one of his on-going improvements. It makes a great gun a very quiet great gun.

By the way…there is absolutely no “ping” in my .25 caliber!

Now…hammer slap! The one sound that has proven near impossible to make quiet. It can be muffled on the Cricket due to the location of the hammer and valve. On the Edgun, well…I’m still looking and thinking. There should be a simple solution, short of an electronic valve release.

This would be more easily resolved at the factory, by building in some method to absorb that metal on metal impact sound. Or by designing a valve release stem that functions without metal on metal contact. Carbon fiber? Delrin? Certainly there must be some synthetic material that would stand up to the repeated blows of the hammer. Anything to change that metallic “CLACK” to a dull, low frequency “thud…”

Think…think…think……

Opened up the baffle vent holes to 3/32″ as suggested. I used a cordless drill. I was apprehensive but once I drilled the first hole, the rest were cake. The key is starting slow so the bit can catch the existing hole and then speeding up. The existing holes guide the bit as it cuts.

I used a drill press for the shroud cover. I drilled the ten holes to 3/32 inches. I also drilled five holes inline on the bottom of the shroud. Two 1/8 holes and three 3/32 ” holes. You can see them here from this angle. They look like they are on the side of the shroud but they are all on the bottom side and not visible. I also inserted some scotch brite to muffle the blast.


Was it worth it? I think so. I think more holes like Demps would make if more quiet. The shot moves so much air and it needs to go somewhere. However, the mod definitely works well. I was able to chrony my gun in my garage without sounding like I was shooting a small caliber gun. It is not as quiet as my cricket but it is also 15 ftlbs stronger. I can’t wait to try her out outside where it counts.

thanks guys for the great directions and ideas,

Gabe G.

quote Strietwise:

Hoot. Thanks for all the great work on this. But what kind of noise reduction should I expect on a .22 long shooting at 34 ftp? It sounds like a big improvement for the .25 but how about the .22?

The 22 responds very well as there is already less air moving compared to 25 for same size shroud.

honestly i dont hear a ping when i shoot or im just to focused on the shot..maybe if i record the gun while i shoot id hear it on the recording…but i doubt theres a ping cause im not def and i would have heard it

Do you need to perform the de-pinger mod on the R3’s or was this issue corrected? from the R2.5?

Hoot. Thanks for all the great work on this. But what kind of noise reduction should I expect on a .22 long shooting at 34 ftp? It sounds like a big improvement for the .25 but how about the .22?

quote donnyfl:

Sir Ville you left out the part where after the hyena left you knelt down and smelled the glory hole.

quote Sir Ville:

Good info! But i think H 😯 😯 T is trying to pull fast one on us regarding the pic of the Russian T-wrench and the story behind it. I can swear i´ve seen that
hand thru a glory hole placed in one of the public toilets in Toad Suck, AK. It was indeed doing some wrenching but it wasn´t on a 19mm nut but on a rather smallish pair of hairy nuts. Now – i can´t swear the owner of that hand/those nuts was the honorable Uncle because that quick peek left me temporarily blinded while the owner of the “wrench” left the scene with smoking tires and laughing like a Hyena.

You got me there! I’m not proud of it but when i walked around in circles, blind and desoriented, i may have stumbled and fallen nose first on the hole in question. Now mind you that i use words “not proud” and “may have” here. I admit nothing at the time being…

Damned POS iPhone. Damn this device in the Hell!!

quote meech1456:

I got the baffles off. I basically followed Ed’s video. I was hoping not to take the gun apart but if was worth it. Now I know how to strip her down 😀

I’m going to drill the holes this afternoon. I’m thinking of making a line of holes on the bottom side of the shroud. Maybe a row of three or four.

Looking forward to this mod.

Will report later with pics.

Thanks for the tips Demp and Hoot,

Gabe

Be sure to tighten the bottom tube on, then run some masking tape up each side, so you know where to drill where the holes won’t be visible. I did this on some AF guns and it worked just fine.

Sir Ville you left out the part where after the hyena left you knelt down and smelled the glory hole.

quote Sir Ville:

Good info! But i think H 😯 😯 T is trying to pull fast one on us regarding the pic of the Russian T-wrench and the story behind it. I can swear i´ve seen that hand thru a glory hole placed in one of the public toilets in Toad Suck, AK. It was indeed doing some wrenching but it wasn´t on a 19mm nut but on a rather smallish pair of hairy nuts. Now – i can´t swear the owner of that hand/those nuts was the honorable Uncle because that quick peek left me temporarily blinded while the owner of the “wrench” left the scene with smoking tires and laughing like a Hyena.

Good info! But i think H 😯 😯 T is trying to pull fast one on us regarding the pic of the Russian T-wrench and the story behind it. I can swear i´ve seen that hand thru a glory hole placed in one of the public toilets in Toad Suck, AK. It was indeed doing some wrenching but it wasn´t on a 19mm nut but on a rather smallish pair of hairy nuts. Now – i can´t swear the owner of that hand/those nuts was the honorable Uncle because that quick peek left me temporarily blinded while the owner of the “wrench” left the scene with smoking tires and laughing like a Hyena.

I got the baffles off. I basically followed Ed’s video. I was hoping not to take the gun apart but if was worth it. Now I know how to strip her down 😀

I’m going to drill the holes this afternoon. I’m thinking of making a line of holes on the bottom side of the shroud. Maybe a row of three or four.

Looking forward to this mod.

Will report later with pics.

Thanks for the tips Demp and Hoot,

Gabe

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