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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

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As we know, the regulator has been suspended by the big rubber o-rings and one small one at transport, the other sound path must be back from hammer and hammer housing. I am also thinking about the possibility of a construction foam spray or silicon treatment of the housing chamber.

Hoot wrote,” I’m afraid to dismantle my Edgun to the point to see this brass nut you speak of. Perhaps, if you have time, you could show some pics of how to get to it, then we can start to experiment with solutions. ”

I don’t want to take mine apart either. If you remove the breech, you can see the nut.

I agree that the hammer will damage the nut if it took the full force of the strike. The hammer impacting the valve stem may slow down the hammer enough to where it may contact the nut but not with enough force to damage it. Just my thought, may or may not be the case.

The slap sound doesn’t bother me too much or else I would have torn into my gun and started tinkering.

I shot my gun yesterday and dialed her in. I did notice that the barrel is pointing slightly upward. I did torque the baffle nut with a good amount of force but not exceeding half a turn after snugging the nut a against the shroud tube. Accuracy is there so I’m not worried. Before, the barrel had a slight downward slant.

Gabe

We might want to think about this differently. The hammer strikes the valve and the vibrations from that impact travel through the entire gun. Metal is very good at transferring the energy / sound. Perhaps the answer is to keep those vibrations (the extent possible) from leaving the hammer and valve. Car manufacturers do this all the time. For example, the engines of cars have no direct metal to metal contact to the frame of the car. Rubber mounts keep the engine vibrations from being transferred to the frame. There might be a way to use rubber bushings to keep the vibrations out of the rest of the gun. Also, sound dampening padding material lining the hammer / valve impact chamber will also help.

OK that is my $.02 worth and I am not sure it is even worth that…

And the oring was only for testing IF the hammer struck the brass nut, NOT a permanent solution…

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You, Suck Toad, Arkansa. Can you use your brain and think it again? The hammer may touch the foam first and then make a contact with metal , the foam will seal the sound.

quote meech1456:

I think the hammer hits the brass nut

If the hammer did that the brass nut would be severly damaged,
it will make the hole of the valve rod smaller.
Putting a o-ring on the rod might give problems with pieces of rubber between the brass nut and the valve rod.

On my R3 the brass nut turned it selfe loose.
Speed dropped till there was nothing left.
I used a special spacer to make the hole in the nut to its original size again.
Brass is softer then steel, it will damage!

Regards, Robert.

:popcorn:

quote meech1456:

Hoot,

I think the hammer hits the brass nut as part of the firing cycle which may be the cause of the noise. I don’t know for sure, just a thought. If somehow a delrin washer can be placed on the face of the brass nut, it may act as a buffer between the hammer and nut. As long as the valve travel is not affected, this can be something to consider. It should eliminate metal to metal contact. The washer would also need to be removable so it can be replaced when it wears out.

Gabe G

This makes me wonder if the Edgun hammer “bounces” like the Marauder? It’s certainly hitting hard enough. It would be nice if we could “de-bounce” the hammer, and quiet the hammer impact at the same time. IF such hammer bounce even exists.

I’m afraid to dismantle my Edgun to the point to see this brass nut you speak of. Perhaps, if you have time, you could show some pics of how to get to it, then we can start to experiment with solutions.

Just think….a near silent Edgun! The evil that could be done…oh yes…done quietly, and no one would know! Ice pellets in the ass cheeks of people we dislike…or have some unresolved grudge with. Hmmmmm…..ice pellets…..wait just one minute! 💡 ……ass cheeks…..melted evidence…..untraceable…..hmmmmmm

With Christian love for all…except those I don’t like, I remain:

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

quote firecracker:

How about a foam ear plug on the stem?


IDIOT!

That would make it quieter for the stem’s hearing….not for ours!!!

Honestly….

H 😯 😯 t

How about a foam ear plug on the stem?

Dr Evil has his bright moments although those are few and far apart…

Hoot

Check this vid by Ernest

Gabe

Pictures…we need pictures!!!!

H 😯 😯 t

PS: Any two screw R3 owners out there who can advise me on how to properly adjust my trigger for a short light first stage, and a crisp release second stage?

Dr,

Excellent idea! I’ll try it next time I have my crono set up.

As a matter of fact, I have a few Teflon o ring that might me a perfect fit.

Gabe

Just to test the teori you can put an o-ring on the valve stem

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