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P12 Bullpup Review coming soon

There has been much talk of a Bullpup some say an EDgun clone from China yet no one has actually handled one or
in fact seen one other than a few photo-shopped factory images on the interweb..

Until now that is..

I have just taken delivery of the two very first production prototypes for testing and review purposes, one in .177 and one in .22 and for the curious minds out there Im going to completely tare these down and compare them to their European counterparts for you all and answer every question you and the manufacturer want answered..
At this stage this rifle is not available but to the public but once the manufacturer gets the required feedback on their new product and make any modifications needed they will hit production and be distributed to their representatives around the globe. You cant buy these directly from the factory unless you are a representative as they don’t deal directly with the public and they have a minimum purchase number of 100 units. Please don’t ask me what these will retail for as it will depend entirely on your location and local distributors costs and mark ups. However I can tell you it will be cheaper (much cheaper) than any other bullpup currently available on today’s market.

Will this new low priced Bullpup compete with the European bullpup market needing very few mods right out of the box?
….or will it always be an entry level rough around the edge rifle with the quality resembling a the QB series of rifle etc that the tinkerers on a budget among us will flock to and replace every part on the rifle until it no longer resembles its original form and end up with something they can never recover their cost on when they eventually get pissed off with it and sell to buy the European Gun they wished they had bough in the first place..

Here is the Factory info on this pup before I get into this..
They are made by the Snow Peak Airgun factory in Shaoxing China who are well know for making cheap springer’s, some owners have remarked that they have been of reasonable quality but I have never owned or inspected one so I will not comment.

Snow peak Airgun factory was established in 1976 and at present, the company has 10 series with more than 30 specifications of airgun products, and owns several patents. The company also cooperates with internationally well-known airgun brands, and is rich in mature OEM experiences with a strong design and R&D team, they boast a first-class quality control system and testing equipments.
PCP Rifles are a new venture for Snow peak and they are gearing up to produce two PCP rifles, the M10 which looks to be a Air Arms S400 clone and this one the P12 bullpup which will be the subject of this independent review.

This is the manufacturers specs for the P12 bullpup they have released on their website.

MODEL P12 Bullpup
Magazine capacity: Single shot
Manual safety
Available in .177 (4.5 mm), .22 (5.5 mm) calibres.
Air tube volume: 317cc
Fill pressure: 20mPA, 200 Bar, 2900Psi
Precision rifled steel barrel for accuracy.
Scope mount rail & shock absorber scope stop.
Stock: European hard wood
Over all length: 710mm (28”)
Weight 3.1kg (6.8lbs)
Max velocity: 4.5mm (.177cal) 1000fps
5.5mm (.22cal) 1000fps

Please note this will be an evolving thread with an extensive unbiased review that tests every component of these PSP’s professionally and thoroughly.
I will first test and provide data on the rifles exactly as they arrived from the factory floor and then (should I need to) I will provide a list of all defects, point out any “quirks” and improvements needed to bring them up to an international standard.

Once all testing and data collection is done going onto a section of “extensive modification and tuning” in an attempt to get this Bullpup to be “all it can be”
I have a stock of new .177 and .22 L/W and BSA match barrels should the stock barrels be less than perfect.

Where is the .25cal model I also hear you all ask? I also have two new .25cal match grade barrels, one BSA and the other Lothar Walther that will I test on this platform for all those modders out there with the burning desire for more energy..

I know there will be plenty of questions rattling around out there already but please allow me the time to finish this first section before slamming me with them as I will do my best to leave all questions unanswered in the initial review.. I will be open to all questions and suggestions once I complete this initial review and start on the field testing stage.

Stay tuned.. first up.. The un-boxing… second…the strip down and comparisons, is it actually a clone?

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quote LTLurker:

I’m in on the Chinese option, if it comes with a Happy Ending 😀

I’d prefer a picatinny rail, regulator, and a quality barrel. Probably wont happen here. That stock looks great though.

Lets not jump to conclusions here… there hasn’t been any word about regulated or not . and the barrels from what i was told if they aren’t cutting it will be getting changed prior to shipment.

I’m in on the Chinese option, if it comes with a Happy Ending 😀

I’d prefer a picatinny rail, regulator, and a quality barrel. Probably wont happen here. That stock looks great though.

quote Sir Ville:

To be honest it looks nicer than a Cricket stock too , IMHO. The gun itself looks like a lonely EdGun met a lonely Cricket and they went for it. A Hybrid of a sort. 😐

Gee, but does it look nicer than a Bobcat !! Ha Ha Ha…..

To be honest it looks nicer than a Cricket stock too , IMHO. The gun itself looks like a lonely EdGun met a lonely Cricket and they went for it. A Hybrid of a sort. 😐

that stock looks much Icer than the Edgun stock

R2.5 clone right? 😉

Should be interesting, also will be interesting to see if what they end of mass producing is similar to the improvements or early production prototypes…

We all know how that can go. :angrymob:

Sure is easy to make the first run versions really nice, get good reviews and then send out midlevel trash for the mass produced item.

75% under Edgun prices…. Hmmmmm, that’s only $500, not sure you’ll get anything even close to quality for such a low price. :2cents:

Color me skeptical. :biggrinn: :rofl:

One thing i’m sure of is it will be a great post and an interesting read too! Thanks for getting this in place Wingman, if they take your input to heart they could likely have a winner on their hands.

well put me down for one….when i ordered the edgun matador i wanted the old looking painted stock one with the steel breech….thats why i went for the cricket because it resembled that model..PLUS it was multishot….now this new p12 gives me what i wanted to begin with and with a nice stock to boot.

Yes ole sniper gay is gonna cream his pants!!! :rofl:

Brace for it. It’s coming!!

quote hacampbell1360:

So Who I have to talk to to become a distributor?

I need to check the guns out first, If they meet standards, 100, 200 0r 300, no problem..

JOhn

I already tried. Didn’t know. Mrodair was in the works until snow peak emailed me back and said they already have a client in us and the guns will be coming march

So Who I have to talk to to become a distributor?

I need to check the guns out first, If they meet standards, 100, 200 0r 300, no problem..

JOhn

The breech and load handle resemble the old EG steel breech version , which IMO is the best of them all. I never made any secret regarding my feelings towards the MS, version 1, and i haven´t shot an EG with the version 2 MS but i´m not at all convinced it is any better than the version 1, much less the old SS.
It will be fun to follow this thread. If that Chinese engineering (read; take a good thing and copy it) marvel is anything to own then one thing´s for sure : The parts availability will beat the original counterpart silly. Those wiley Chinese are fast on production line.

Now it´ll be only a matter of hours before Snipergay EG Jihad, Part IV, gets on the way. This has to be his/her wet dream come true. 🙄

I’d be all in if it were possible but from the email I got from the lady at snowpeak sounds like it may be an exclusive with mike…. I’m fine with that the mans in the bussiness to sell airguns and he seems good to deal with so I don’t want to undercut him. Plus the extra your gonna pay buying from him will be getting u parts and warranty ….

So with that said. I’m out

Now on the other end we may be able to band enough guys together that mike will give us a good price!!!

I prefer at least have read some threads or reviews by the owners or Phil, then go to buy,,, who knows how this new BP performs?

all of us have seen/ read a tons of reviews on Edgun and Cricket then bought them,,,, i will let phil to complete his informative review then we will make our decisions… or sorry … it is up to you guys… just my opinion…

quote tcmalker:

Who wants to set up a group buy? I’m in, just need 99 more!

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Who wants to set up a group buy? I’m in, just need 99 more!

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for the price to be 75% cheeper who cares if it doesnt shoot like an edgun out the box…after some time and maybe alittle money i bet it will be on par with the cricket and edgun….it really doesnt take much to get it up their with the top bullpups….rant and rave all you want about the edguns and crickets but for the price china buys and sells these things for…theres plenty of room to get this china doll to probably outshoot either gun. :butkick:

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