P12 Bullpup Review coming soon
There has been much talk of a Bullpup some say an EDgun clone from China yet no one has actually handled one or
in fact seen one other than a few photo-shopped factory images on the interweb..
Until now that is..
I have just taken delivery of the two very first production prototypes for testing and review purposes, one in .177 and one in .22 and for the curious minds out there Im going to completely tare these down and compare them to their European counterparts for you all and answer every question you and the manufacturer want answered..
At this stage this rifle is not available but to the public but once the manufacturer gets the required feedback on their new product and make any modifications needed they will hit production and be distributed to their representatives around the globe. You cant buy these directly from the factory unless you are a representative as they don’t deal directly with the public and they have a minimum purchase number of 100 units. Please don’t ask me what these will retail for as it will depend entirely on your location and local distributors costs and mark ups. However I can tell you it will be cheaper (much cheaper) than any other bullpup currently available on today’s market.
Will this new low priced Bullpup compete with the European bullpup market needing very few mods right out of the box?
….or will it always be an entry level rough around the edge rifle with the quality resembling a the QB series of rifle etc that the tinkerers on a budget among us will flock to and replace every part on the rifle until it no longer resembles its original form and end up with something they can never recover their cost on when they eventually get pissed off with it and sell to buy the European Gun they wished they had bough in the first place..
Here is the Factory info on this pup before I get into this..
They are made by the Snow Peak Airgun factory in Shaoxing China who are well know for making cheap springer’s, some owners have remarked that they have been of reasonable quality but I have never owned or inspected one so I will not comment.
Snow peak Airgun factory was established in 1976 and at present, the company has 10 series with more than 30 specifications of airgun products, and owns several patents. The company also cooperates with internationally well-known airgun brands, and is rich in mature OEM experiences with a strong design and R&D team, they boast a first-class quality control system and testing equipments.
PCP Rifles are a new venture for Snow peak and they are gearing up to produce two PCP rifles, the M10 which looks to be a Air Arms S400 clone and this one the P12 bullpup which will be the subject of this independent review.
This is the manufacturers specs for the P12 bullpup they have released on their website.
MODEL P12 Bullpup
Magazine capacity: Single shot
Manual safety
Available in .177 (4.5 mm), .22 (5.5 mm) calibres.
Air tube volume: 317cc
Fill pressure: 20mPA, 200 Bar, 2900Psi
Precision rifled steel barrel for accuracy.
Scope mount rail & shock absorber scope stop.
Stock: European hard wood
Over all length: 710mm (28”)
Weight 3.1kg (6.8lbs)
Max velocity: 4.5mm (.177cal) 1000fps
5.5mm (.22cal) 1000fps
Please note this will be an evolving thread with an extensive unbiased review that tests every component of these PSP’s professionally and thoroughly.
I will first test and provide data on the rifles exactly as they arrived from the factory floor and then (should I need to) I will provide a list of all defects, point out any “quirks” and improvements needed to bring them up to an international standard.
Once all testing and data collection is done going onto a section of “extensive modification and tuning” in an attempt to get this Bullpup to be “all it can be”
I have a stock of new .177 and .22 L/W and BSA match barrels should the stock barrels be less than perfect.
Where is the .25cal model I also hear you all ask? I also have two new .25cal match grade barrels, one BSA and the other Lothar Walther that will I test on this platform for all those modders out there with the burning desire for more energy..
I know there will be plenty of questions rattling around out there already but please allow me the time to finish this first section before slamming me with them as I will do my best to leave all questions unanswered in the initial review.. I will be open to all questions and suggestions once I complete this initial review and start on the field testing stage.
Stay tuned.. first up.. The un-boxing… second…the strip down and comparisons, is it actually a clone?
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Can you read ??
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2. This POS iPhone sucks though …
can’t believe I read all this bs. :whistle:
Or this?
Dr.:evil:
Oh, you mean like this one?
Alright fuckers wingman had to post the real review on another thread since you guys filled this up with BS. I hope you fuckers are happy. Don’t you dare do this on his new review thread. Don’t you dare.
Testing the theory…..
TC – don´t get pissed since this is a serious question. The science never sleeps … :ugeekn:
YES! I saw that episode too! My toilets went counter-clockwise (mental note to self, dont stare too closely into the bowl when you flush) and my sink went clockwise.. ❓
The answer: yes and no. 💡 :geekn: When applied to toilets and sinks, this is one of those “too good to be true” science factoids, I’m afraid. But it does apply in some situations.
The myth goes that if you flush a toilet in NZ/Australia the water swirls down the drain the opposite way than in the northern hemisphere, due the Coriolis effect (an apparent force which describes how objects veer to the left or right when travelling on something that’s rotating.
If there were no other forces on that water in the sink or toilet, that would be true. The Coriolis effect does actually make hurricanes rotate the opposite direction in the two hemispheres. But for toilets and sinks it’s another story. The toilet myth is easy to dispel — just peek around the rim of the toilet and you’ll see that the water is jetted into the bowl at an angle, which determines the direction the water swirls. Sinks, however, are a little more tricky.
I’ve heard of charlatans who hang around the equator in Kenya, carrying basins of water. They’ll stand on the southern side of the equator with the basin, pull a plug at the bottom, and show that it swirls out counter-clockwise. Then they’ll walk to the northern side of the equator, fill the basin and pull the plug, and it swirls out clockwise. Irrefutable proof? Be careful! You have to know all the initial conditions in any experiment, and in this one, there is one that is hidden from you. The huckster just has to add a slight rotation to the water before letting it out (for example, pour the water in at a very slight angle to give it an initial rotation, and it will “remember” that rotation as it swirls out of the basin. In fact, you can swirl the water in the basin, then walk away from it for several hours, and it will still “remember” that rotation when you pull the plug! Plus, the charlatans got it backwards — water should actually swirl counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere if the Coriolis effect were at play! (See Alistair Fraser’s website for a great explanation of how you can re-create this fakery for a fun party trick!)
Even if you don’t give the water an initial swirl, tiny pits and imperfections in the basin can give the water a rotation — which may be clockwise or counter-clockwise, but doesn’t depend on which hemisphere you’re in!
Now, all that said, the Coriolis effect does play a role. It’s just really tiny relative to all these other effects. It’s about 10 millions the size of the effect of gravity. So, if you have a perfect basin, with completely still water, then the Coriolis force will make the water swirl opposite directions in the two hemispheres. 
….and just to get this back on the topic of firearms.. Just to round out the picture: Early Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1 rifles had a unique LH twist barrel.. It was a well known fact that all the Enfield equipped NZ and Australian snipers were far superior long range shooters than the rest of the world due to the LH twist counteracting the Coriolis effect.. :4:
I KNEW IT !!! :8:
And to add to the list over superior snipers you may want to Google “The White Death” from the Finnish / Russian war. He used open sights only.
Dear Uncle Hoot: : The Viper has no pancy ass Smooth Twist but it´s hammer forged and rifled at its whole 2.75″ of length. A NZ rifling could very well be designed to swirl the opposite direction so if a bunch of Finns and New Zealanders take a piss at the same time it won´t effect the rotation of the Earth due the counter effect of the opposite swirls. Mother Nature has taken all these facts into consideration while forming different species.
To aid to this balance she designed you Arkan-insanians without any twist at all and thus i understand your lack of knowledge in the matter.
TC – don´t get pissed since this is a serious question. The science never sleeps … :ugeekn:
YES! I saw that episode too! My toilets went counter-clockwise (mental note to self, dont stare too closely into the bowl when you flush) and my sink went clockwise.. ❓
The answer: yes and no. 💡 :geekn: When applied to toilets and sinks, this is one of those “too good to be true” science factoids, I’m afraid. But it does apply in some situations.
The myth goes that if you flush a toilet in NZ/Australia the water swirls down the drain the opposite way than in the northern hemisphere, due the Coriolis effect (an apparent force which describes how objects veer to the left or right when travelling on something that’s rotating.
If there were no other forces on that water in the sink or toilet, that would be true. The Coriolis effect does actually make hurricanes rotate the opposite direction in the two hemispheres. But for toilets and sinks it’s another story. The toilet myth is easy to dispel — just peek around the rim of the toilet and you’ll see that the water is jetted into the bowl at an angle, which determines the direction the water swirls. Sinks, however, are a little more tricky.
I’ve heard of charlatans who hang around the equator in Kenya, carrying basins of water. They’ll stand on the southern side of the equator with the basin, pull a plug at the bottom, and show that it swirls out counter-clockwise. Then they’ll walk to the northern side of the equator, fill the basin and pull the plug, and it swirls out clockwise. Irrefutable proof? Be careful! You have to know all the initial conditions in any experiment, and in this one, there is one that is hidden from you. The huckster just has to add a slight rotation to the water before letting it out (for example, pour the water in at a very slight angle to give it an initial rotation, and it will “remember” that rotation as it swirls out of the basin. In fact, you can swirl the water in the basin, then walk away from it for several hours, and it will still “remember” that rotation when you pull the plug! Plus, the charlatans got it backwards — water should actually swirl counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere if the Coriolis effect were at play! (See Alistair Fraser’s website for a great explanation of how you can re-create this fakery for a fun party trick!)
Even if you don’t give the water an initial swirl, tiny pits and imperfections in the basin can give the water a rotation — which may be clockwise or counter-clockwise, but doesn’t depend on which hemisphere you’re in!
Now, all that said, the Coriolis effect does play a role. It’s just really tiny relative to all these other effects. It’s about 10 millions the size of the effect of gravity. So, if you have a perfect basin, with completely still water, then the Coriolis force will make the water swirl opposite directions in the two hemispheres.
….and just to get this back on the topic of firearms.. Just to round out the picture: Early Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1 rifles had a unique LH twist barrel.. It was a well known fact that all the Enfield equipped NZ and Australian snipers were far superior long range shooters than the rest of the world due to the LH twist counteracting the Coriolis effect.. :4:
:ugeekn:
Dude….doesn’t it follow that he would have to piss to find the answer to your question? Moron! Personally, I might add, here in Arkansas, when you piss, the water just goes straight into the toilet, and no “swirl” takes place!
I find it odd that a Finnish pecker has some kind of “smooth twist rifling” in it to make their urine “swirl” clockwise, and furthermore, why would such rifling in a New Zealander’s pecker rotate the opposite direction?
These, and other elements of science, puzzle me!
Hoot:
Winowinder : When you flush your Toilet in NZ which way does the water swirl ? Clockwise or counter clockwise ?? This is a serious question i´ve wanted to have an answer to since one of them “The Simpson” – episodes. I mean – you´re on the other side of the World so technically the swirl should be the opposite of the strong , Scandinavian elegantly clockwise Vortex.
TC – don´t get pissed since this is a serious question. The science never sleeps … :ugeekn:
Yes I will be doing an extensive mod and tuning section after the prototype is fully tested. Im thinking Ill set one up as a .25cal.
The P12 has a 7mm probe like a FX or Cricket etc.. The back of the probe fits directly onto a female foster fitting..
The QB rifles are certainly lend themselves to modification.. I did a .25 cal conversion for a guy here and its now cranking about 40ftlbs…
check it out here to pass the time.. there’s ten pages of mods and I think he’s still tinkering with it.. 😀 http://nzairgun.com/forum/index.php?topic=365.0
Wingman
Unluckily you are right. I expect my two in May. That is a looooonnnngggg time. After your review you can also maybe comment on possible modification you would recommend. Also some info on what type of filling nozzle it use. In the mean time I will complete my QB79 modification. Have that up to 13 fpe and very,very accurate. Normally the Chinese guns just need a bit of polishing and a bit of love to be great guns.
Paul
Paul
I work weekends.. my days off are Mon and Tues..Yes I have them back from pressure testing and will finish the write up today.. hope to have the first part of the review posted in a day or two..
You South African lot will be waiting till at least May for the first delivery of P12s though so kick back and enjoy the show :popcorn: :18:
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Didn’t you start a poll about asking if you should be banned?
Didn’t you lose?
Now you are telling us “don’t even dare” to post BS when you post more BS than anyone else here does?
If you don’t have a clue, I will try to help you out. Just keep the bullshit up and you will get nucked!
Your getting nucked wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing for the rest of us!
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If you don’t like it: go fuck your self!