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Rear tank gauge

Hi All,

First time here…

Reading some posts over the last couple of days, learning and having fun simultaneously, I decided to tell also my experiences.

I think that for a PCP tank, a gauge is a must.

Although I have used the gauge mounted in the neck of the bottle, it does not pleasing me πŸ™„ for two main reasons:

1ΒΊ The gauge in the bottle neck is very small, and difficult to read (and the useful zone of reading even more) and I believe that it is not accurate enough.

2ΒΊ I dont like the the asymmetric protuberance of the gauge in the bottle neck turning around while I screw the tank on. I see it fragile and dangerous if it receives a blow.

Then I decided to mount a real good gauge in the only position that is possible: the bottom of the bottle.

To do it, is indispensable to do drill a hole in the thank ( this is forbiden in some countries), but as a experiment I decided to take the risk, but with the due precautions of safety .Please note that I donΒ΄t say to anybody to do that.

The first thing of all, to locate a suitable gauge. In my case I had to order it do, since I did not find what was searching in the shops of pneumatic and hydraulics.
In two weeks they made a gauge of 40 mm of outside diameter and 250 Bar on a large scale, with a rear thread of 1/8 G and 11mm length:

After, measure and verify the thickness of the bottle bottom wall,mesuring the outside and after the inside, I found that the wall thickness is 7 mm. More than enough for my purposes.

Afterwards, centre the tank on the lathe as best as possible and drill and thread the wall of the bottle….Yes, as natural as it sound , a hole in the bottom. πŸ˜€
For cutting the thread I help my self with a little drop of cutting fluid.


Nevertheless I do not want to allow that the whole pressure of the tank should push on the threads of the gauge and I decided to install a nut from the interior to hold safely the gauge. It has also an O ring to avoid leaks: πŸ˜‰


I had to do also the special key for this nut:

To install the nut inside the tank with the special key, was tricky and difficult due to the narrow space, and especially because you work blindly!! πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•

Once installed the gauge and its nut, I protected the whole assemble with a cover of aluminium specially designed to embrace the tank and to protect the gauge of possible shock and blows.



In addition it gives more resistance to the whole set. And it gives me the confidence of not having the gauge sticked into my shoulder.

Before installing it, I tried that the gauge fits very nicely inside its new housing:

Once quite mounted, the test-proof of pressure was satisfactory, I sprayed the tank rear with soapy water,charged the bottle very slowly, no bubbles at all, and for 20 days I left the tank loaded on 200 bar without losing only one bar of pressure. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Already I have neither to count pellets nor do calculations simply I begin to shooting in 185 bar and finish on 100 bar. With good consistency of speed. I also have a good control of the presure while charging from the scuba. 8)

At the same time as I began this project, also I did an anatomical butt adjustable in length and height to do more ergonomic the set. Also it protect the glass gauge when not in use.


The screws that hold the support of the butt to the bottle are nylon pointed, to not damage or to create points of pressure on the surface of the tank

And this way there stays the whole set mounted and ready to shoot.:

Postscript
I do not recommend to anybody to do the same thing that I have done, since this is potentially dangerous specially if you dont have the proper tools….And knowledge

Each one calculates his own risk and do in consequence

Hope you like it

Mods/Machinists

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Ditto, what he said! Great work! Come Often Shoot Lots

Xaloc, I realize you are still around. Please post up some pics of your other work. Merry Christmas.

Did we run him off? I hope not. You know catalina would probably never go for this but it would of been nice if someone could of sent him a tank, have him do his mod and ship it to catalina for R&D.

quote Shadoh:

Isnt it technically “illegal” that we dont have these tanks tested on a regular basis? I guess some might but I think most owners never even consider having it done.

It really is no big deal to have it done. Any hydro place will do it for about $35. I have had many tanks hydro’d over the years.

quote bikincrazy52:

quote SAVAGESAM:

quote bikincrazy52:

Where would you plan on them putting the gauge?

Put the gauge in the place the valve is now (as others have) in the neck and screw the valve into that.

That would make the tank a little farther back though, wouldn’t it?

Yes it would, but only about an inch, maybe two. See the post by BAZ. Also to the poster that talked about having their tanks tested. You are supposed to hydro these tanks every five years, same as scuba tanks. Now if they can make a gauge that reads to 6K surely they can make one that would be safe next to your neck and face at 3K

I have not jumped into this yet but I would strongly have to agree with WOK (THE DESIGNER AND CRAFTMAN OF THE ORIGIONAL WOK BUTPAD) ,this is not a mod that is recomended by to manufacturer and D.O.T. and that should always be the end of it only because NONE OF US have the years of testing under our belts like they do, we simple buy the guns and shoot them. Xaloc your work is awesome and I know you will be posting some amazing work on this site, Thank You for your post! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

quote SAVAGESAM:

quote bikincrazy52:

Where would you plan on them putting the gauge?

Put the gauge in the place the valve is now (as others have) in the neck and screw the valve into that.

That would make the tank a little farther back though, wouldn’t it?

Isnt it technically “illegal” that we dont have these tanks tested on a regular basis? I guess some might but I think most owners never even consider having it done.

quote Shadoh:

I dont think it will ever be put to rest until someone actually tests these modifications themselves. The “experts” will always tell you not to modify the tank in any way. If they say anything other than that then they are inviting a lawsuit if anything were to ever happen. I cant blame them as they have no control over the mods that folks would make.

Shadoh,

The D.O.T and Catalina are the ones that test these on a ongoing basis. They are going by experience in tank safety not so much “I think it is OK” as the rest of us do.

Xaloc mod is impressive and it is his own as he has stated. The other side is in the U.S.A that modification is illegal. Since he is in Spain it is his call. But for us State Side it is federally regulated on how these tanks are used.

I dont think it will ever be put to rest until someone actually tests these modifications themselves. The “experts” will always tell you not to modify the tank in any way. If they say anything other than that then they are inviting a lawsuit if anything were to ever happen. I cant blame them as they have no control over the mods that folks would make.

Thank Voltar,

I went on vacation and did not get around to post that. I actually am waiting for a response to the question from the D.O.T

Xaloc’s gauge is a “One Off” piece of work. I actually am more concerned about all the Quick Fills done by AZ. An official response to the question from the experts in charge of the bottles would be nice.

I understand people do not like or discount the “Official Response” from the experts in the field on HPA Safety. But going to the source of those who make and test the bottles is the only responsible thing to do.

People can do and make whatever they please, but remember “Safety trumps convenience”

quote bikincrazy52:

Where would you plan on them putting the gauge?

Put the gauge in the place the valve is now (as others have) in the neck and screw the valve into that.

quote SAVAGESAM:

quote ILDE:

Are these guys the one who makes airforce tanks? Would one of these suit an airforce valve?

I believe they are the supplier of air force tanks. Why in the HELL don’t they just offer an “extra cost” option from A.F. to order a gun and or tank with a factory installed gauge????? If they can put a gauge on a 4500psi scuba tank they can put one on a 3000psi A.F. bottle/tank. Are you listening Catalina????

Or just different sizes of bottles … πŸ™„

Xaloc; no threads or posts are going to be deleted because a few people do not feel that what you have done is safe. I think that the whole purpose of this Forum is the exchange of knowledge so that we can all learn and expand our horizons accordingly. Some practices are obviously nothing but dangerous, such as filling our tanks with pure Oxygen etc, and threads about this will probably get nothing but negative feedback, but modifications such as what you have done are much more open to discussion and that is always welcome.

Where would you plan on them putting the gauge?

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