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Rear tank gauge

Hi All,

First time here…

Reading some posts over the last couple of days, learning and having fun simultaneously, I decided to tell also my experiences.

I think that for a PCP tank, a gauge is a must.

Although I have used the gauge mounted in the neck of the bottle, it does not pleasing me πŸ™„ for two main reasons:

1ΒΊ The gauge in the bottle neck is very small, and difficult to read (and the useful zone of reading even more) and I believe that it is not accurate enough.

2ΒΊ I dont like the the asymmetric protuberance of the gauge in the bottle neck turning around while I screw the tank on. I see it fragile and dangerous if it receives a blow.

Then I decided to mount a real good gauge in the only position that is possible: the bottom of the bottle.

To do it, is indispensable to do drill a hole in the thank ( this is forbiden in some countries), but as a experiment I decided to take the risk, but with the due precautions of safety .Please note that I donΒ΄t say to anybody to do that.

The first thing of all, to locate a suitable gauge. In my case I had to order it do, since I did not find what was searching in the shops of pneumatic and hydraulics.
In two weeks they made a gauge of 40 mm of outside diameter and 250 Bar on a large scale, with a rear thread of 1/8 G and 11mm length:

After, measure and verify the thickness of the bottle bottom wall,mesuring the outside and after the inside, I found that the wall thickness is 7 mm. More than enough for my purposes.

Afterwards, centre the tank on the lathe as best as possible and drill and thread the wall of the bottle….Yes, as natural as it sound , a hole in the bottom. πŸ˜€
For cutting the thread I help my self with a little drop of cutting fluid.


Nevertheless I do not want to allow that the whole pressure of the tank should push on the threads of the gauge and I decided to install a nut from the interior to hold safely the gauge. It has also an O ring to avoid leaks: πŸ˜‰


I had to do also the special key for this nut:

To install the nut inside the tank with the special key, was tricky and difficult due to the narrow space, and especially because you work blindly!! πŸ˜• πŸ˜• πŸ˜•

Once installed the gauge and its nut, I protected the whole assemble with a cover of aluminium specially designed to embrace the tank and to protect the gauge of possible shock and blows.



In addition it gives more resistance to the whole set. And it gives me the confidence of not having the gauge sticked into my shoulder.

Before installing it, I tried that the gauge fits very nicely inside its new housing:

Once quite mounted, the test-proof of pressure was satisfactory, I sprayed the tank rear with soapy water,charged the bottle very slowly, no bubbles at all, and for 20 days I left the tank loaded on 200 bar without losing only one bar of pressure. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Already I have neither to count pellets nor do calculations simply I begin to shooting in 185 bar and finish on 100 bar. With good consistency of speed. I also have a good control of the presure while charging from the scuba. 8)

At the same time as I began this project, also I did an anatomical butt adjustable in length and height to do more ergonomic the set. Also it protect the glass gauge when not in use.


The screws that hold the support of the butt to the bottle are nylon pointed, to not damage or to create points of pressure on the surface of the tank

And this way there stays the whole set mounted and ready to shoot.:

Postscript
I do not recommend to anybody to do the same thing that I have done, since this is potentially dangerous specially if you dont have the proper tools….And knowledge

Each one calculates his own risk and do in consequence

Hope you like it

Mods/Machinists

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I think you should make another and have it destructively tested. This would end the controversy and possible bring gauges to AF tanks everywhere…

I i’d bet it isn’t that much worse off than the original without the hole… Say about 500psi under the fail rating of the typical tank…

Are the AF tanks cast or spun??? And of what type of aluminum… 6061…???

Since it is aluminum it will probably fail as a leak and not by explosion, which would be cool but very Jerry Bruckheimer and about as realistic as me saying I have four girls blowing me right now while I type this… πŸ˜†

At this point i’m willing to believe the facts and not a straight up “impossible” and “stupid” conjectural statement that isn’t backed up with anything but intuition (which is as good as spit in material science and engineering, yes I went to engineering school)…

I have seen worse work perfect for long periods of time without incident… I’ll bet half the engineers designing the shuttle’s engines said it was stupid and impossible and yet it exists and works better than most things on the shuttle…

Its working and doesn’t look or even seem like it is going to explode or shoot the gauge off the end…

Nice work and thanks for risking your life and limbs to test this seemingly impossible idea out and get it to actually work as well!!! 😯 I still think you should make one and have it destroyed to get some real world numbers, you never know, Voltar might start adding them to his tanks!!! πŸ˜†

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however havent this kind of modding been done to several Rapid bottles ? they didnt mount a guage but a quickfill nipple…but its basicly the same, in terms of risks…

Ive seen that done as well. Is it a factory mod or something they did later? Those bottles sure look identical to the ones we use.

quote Xaloc:

As I said in my previous writings, I have not recommended anyone to do this.
But now the bottom of the bottle is the safest part of the tank due to the housing of the pressure gauge of aluminum aircraft manufactured in heavy duty and the calculations made for security. I am not a madman.
I tell it before, I have 30 years producing parts for equipment with too much highest presion.no started yesterday …

I make a hole or a hundred if I want is my tank and my risk is, what I have assumed and calculated

Voltar …. please already know your opinion, please do not putt more shit here and go fucking to any other post

Xaloc, chill out and don’t escalate dude. πŸ™‚ It’s one person’s strong opinion, be secure enough in your own work not to let it bother you.

XALOC,

Don’t let a couple here give you a bad impression of the many. I for one look forward to seeing more of your nice work in the future.

DG

As I said in my previous writings, I have not recommended anyone to do this.
But now the bottom of the bottle is the safest part of the tank due to the housing of the pressure gauge of aluminum aircraft manufactured in heavy duty and the calculations made for security. I am not a madman.
I tell it before, I have 30 years producing parts for equipment with too much highest presion.no started yesterday …

I make a hole or a hundred if I want is my tank and my risk is, what I have assumed and calculated

Voltar …. please already know your opinion, please do not putt more shit here and go fucking to any other post

quote Cygnus X:

nice work ! but it also scare the shit out of me…imagine that fail right by your head…OMG

i would certainly get that bottle rehydroed/tested before using it ! imagine if you accidentally overfill the bottle…or someone else does it without knowing the dangers….

The re-hydro would be a GREAT idea………..if he can find someone that will do it. I imagine most testers will consider the bottle “damaged” and condemn it on sight. If it would pass though……….it would show this COULD be a valid modification.

It looks like great care was taken to minimize risk in every possible way; from the inside retaining nut to the collar on the base of the tank. A measured risk on his part and some great looking work. (still would make me feel uneasy though)

To those who have jumped up and condemed Xaloc’s work, remember…..he said quite clearly in his initial post HE DOES NOT RECOMMEND OTHERS DOING THIS MOD NOR DOES HE HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DOING THIS FOR ANYONE ELSE.

πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ I for one am grateful that he chose to share his work with us, even knowing that it was done SOLELY FOR HIS OWN USE and after he had weighed the risk factor he was willling to accept.

XALOC was way ahead of you criticisers in warning others away from this mod. for safety reasons. Nowhere in his post does he encourage others to undertake the same mod and in fact quite the opposite.

nice work ! but it also scare the shit out of me…imagine that fail right by your head…OMG

however havent this kind of modding been done to several Rapid bottles ? they didnt mount a guage but a quickfill nipple…but its basicly the same, in terms of risks…

i do belive the 400 and 500 cc rapid bottles have the same thread as our Talon bottle in the neck at least….

i would certainly get that bottle rehydroed/tested before using it ! imagine if you accidentally overfill the bottle…or someone else does it without knowing the dangers….

quote WalkonKing:

Gotta love the Argentina Wokbutt Knock off….

I am flattered πŸ˜€

Men! this boys see everything! Ill find you more photos of the wok pampas clon!

The center of the bottom of the tank is the least stressed part of the tank, and would be the best choice for an additional opening.
BUT, such a modification would be ill advised, without extensive testing.
When you weigh the benifits vs. the risk, I would NEVER consider this modification.
BENIFIT: the convenience of knowing the pressure.
RISK: death by blowing your head off.

It’s an easy choice for me, I agree with Walter.

Mark

Gotta love the Argentina Wokbutt Knock off….

I am flattered πŸ˜€

quote Voltar_1:

quote Langnasen:

quote SAVAGESAM:

Xaloc, that is beautiful work.

When something is as well made as that it becomes art imo. Where form matches, if not exceeds, function.

But then I’m a bit of a fetishist when it comes to machinery. πŸ˜†

Just because the machining is ‘artful’ that will not and does not make the practice any less foolish.

The poster from Argentina is doing the guage and fill the safe way.

Xaloc’s tank mutilation is not to be promoted.

Walter….

It’s not “mutilation” until it blows up. πŸ˜‰

quote Langnasen:

quote SAVAGESAM:

Xaloc, that is beautiful work.

When something is as well made as that it becomes art imo. Where form matches, if not exceeds, function.

But then I’m a bit of a fetishist when it comes to machinery. πŸ˜†

Just because the machining is ‘artful’ that will not and does not make the practice any less foolish.

The poster from Argentina is doing the guage and fill the safe way.

Xaloc’s tank mutilation is not to be promoted.

Walter….

Congratulations Xaloc. I know your work from the spanish forum.

Xaloc works are really professional with a well earned good fame.
This isnt a modofication for everybody as he well said.
But can be the first kick to encourage the factorys to do something like thath with all the security tests.

Hope they open the eyes and grab this idea and make it better.
Doors only open when you knock it! πŸ™‚

In Argentina the craftsmans are doing his first steps:

quote SAVAGESAM:

Xaloc, that is beautiful work.

When something is as well made as that it becomes art imo. Where form matches, if not exceeds, function.

But then I’m a bit of a fetishist when it comes to machinery. πŸ˜†

Xaloc, that is beautiful work.

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