Status of the E-TaCREG and other musings.
Hello everyone,
I want to thank you all for your support on my E-TaC venture. But first, the important stuff…
I have begun testing the E-TaCREG..this is the model that will use a paintball (JDS or xpert air) reg built into the E-TaC. It will use a HPA bottle only. Having good success, but won’t release it for sale until I can attest to its durability.
The E-TaC-T-REG is behind schedule.(This is the regulated model that will be made for the Talon/Condor bottle) My quest for a high quality regulator has taken me high and low; and finally, I MAY have a solution that will blow you mind….remember, I said MAY. The current situation is that I have to wait until mid March to begin negotiations with the well-known maker of high quality regs. The entity is interested, but has another obligation that has put me on hold.
This is great news for all of us and I hope it comes to fruition. We’ll all have to wait and see.
Regarding the E-TaC in general, I am humbled by the kind words, and numerous orders I’ve received. I dont’ think it’s polite to say exactly how many are sold, but suffice to say I am half-way to my goal of world domination…LOL. I have sent E-TaCs all over the world. South America, Canada, England, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, the Netherlands all have users.
The current E-TaC is removable, and about a half-inch longer than the original E-TaC. This presented a problem with the check-valve in the Foster fitting to fall into the E-TaC upon filling because there was no valve behind it to hold it in. I rectified that with a short piece of aluminum tubing located under the valve. That problem is solved.
I also found that the Talon and Condor frames are not all the same. Some have commented that the fill nipple might just contact the frame. Even though they clear my frame at the shop. I am working to see if I can lower the fill nipple even further, or find a shorter fill nipple. I may end up grinding off about .010 of the nipple to give it more clearance.
Anyway, just thought I’d give you all an update and let you know I haven’t forgotten about all of you and things are going very well at E-TaC central.
I appreciate all your support and look forward to bringing the newest regulated versions to market.
Regards,
Jim
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Good to hear Jim.
I am sure you will figure it all out in no time.
Guys,
I am happy buying the regs from JDS and installing them on my E-TaCReg. I don’t want to buy direct and try to make them work. I want a reg that works at 2000psi when I get it, pop it on the E-TaC and ship it out. Hope you understand.
No, JDS does not make the reg, my guess is they are made in China, as are most, if not all, the pb regs. I have taken apart a lot of regs and tried to make 2000psi out of them. It’s not as easy as I thought… I know what I get from JDS and that gives me the piece of mind I want. I’m not in the reg business.
I am working on getting the jig made to give me the additional drop and cast off needed for the bigger tanks.
I do have a question that I have not been able to answer….pre-chamber volume. I have calculated a .22cal barrel 24″ long has about .54ci of volume. Any idea what the volume of regulated air should be?
The E-TaCTREG is problematic because of the length of the available regulators. I am having to redesign the valve to make it shorter to allow for pre-chamber volume.
Other things on the list, along with the E-TaCTREG are a quick connect from the frame to the bottle to allow for a quarter turn to attach the E-TaC to the frame. This will allow for a much shorter E-TaC since you won’t have to turn the fill nipple or gauge passed the frame..no clearance issues means the nipple can be very close to the frame. Interrupted threads may work here..not sure. Next is an idea for the ultimate MegaMod. The ultimate fore-arm/suppressor. It will look like a floating forearm as on an AR-15. I will slide over the frame up to, and possibly over, the power wheel. The end of the frame will have an endcap and bushing. It will be equipped with picatinny rails for your accessories, and increase volume to give noise suppression beyond anything you can add to the end of the barrel, and only add 2″ to the length of the barrel. I’ve got one on a TSS and it is my quietest mod to date.
See, I’m not dawdling.
Jim
If not then it is wrong to ‘use’ JDS as if he were a supplier to a commercial venture. It is dirty pool.
The agreement is the thing and if in this case I was JDS and I discovered a commercially made and sold package with my device in it (and it matters not who makes it) I would be some pissed off and justifiably so.
Any of you guys that make and sell stuff or resell stuff put your feet into the shoes of the other guy and see how it smells. Going around a guy is a stinky way to do business.
I was raised where your word is your worth and the guy you do business with deserves your word. Anything less and it deteriates quickly into a backstabbing cutthroat unethical me-feast.
I have no idea what their agreement is nor do you.
Getting a product directly from the people who make it is ethical.
JSB makes pellets. Air Arms and Cometa put their names on JSB pellets and sell them under their name. Some people buy JSB pellets in bulk from JSB. Is it wrong they go around AA or Cometa to buy JSB pellets?
Many people sell custom Crosman pistols. Is it wrong for someone to go around them and buy a custom gun from Crosman directly?
Let the man decide where he wants to buy his regulator without you making him feel bad about doing an honest business.
Jim , hopefully you are not dwadling away your time paying any attention to this discussion ! We need you focused on develping a regulated E-TaC for our rifles !Any body that gets in the way , run over them . LOL
If Jim has discussed this with JDS, no troubles.
If not then it is wrong to ‘use’ JDS as if he were a supplier to a commercial venture. It is dirty pool.
The agreement is the thing and if in this case I was JDS and I discovered a commercially made and sold package with my device in it (and it matters not who makes it) I would be some pissed off and justifiably so.
Any of you guys that make and sell stuff or resell stuff put your feet into the shoes of the other guy and see how it smells. Going around a guy is a stinky way to do business.
I was raised where your word is your worth and the guy you do business with deserves your word. Anything less and it deteriates quickly into a backstabbing cutthroat unethical me-feast.
I believe if JDS wanted a sole distribution contract they would have asked and paid for it. They may have one after all, or possibly for the version they distribute with their name on it.
I don’t see it as backhanded if:
Say WOK was selling his butt to PA and they were marketing it with a PA logo on the back, (this obviously would not be sold by AOA).
WOK and PA agree that WOK can sell to other companies as long as PA’s supply doesn’t fall short or change price.
Here is where the water gets a bit murky morally…
AOA approaches WOK and wants to do the same thing PA is doing. If PA and WOK have not discussed this (bad business form on PA’s part) then the lawyers get involved and if there isn’t explicit wording in the agreement that prohibits WOK from selling to AOA then there is no legal basis for PA’s want to corner the butt market.
But there is a catch:
Now to me if PA wanted an exclusive distribution agreement they should have asked for it in the first place. Not asking for it or even discussing it raises some flags. Obviously it would cost way more money for PA if they wanted to be the only distributor since WOK would have no other outlet to sell his goods. PA would (should) know this and would intentionally NOT ask the question so they could fight it later in court, with some forethought on their lawyers part they could have slipped in wording to help their cause. This is where WOK’s lawyers would earn their $ reviewing the contract for just such a thing…
The main thing is that PA would have acted in an underhanded way from the start wanting something but not wanting to pay for it and trying to get it in court.
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If the reg is not made by JDS and they in fact buy it elsewhere (and other people distribute it as well) and JDS does not have an exclusive agreement (because either JDS or the manufacturer didn’t want it that way) how would it be wrong to distribute the same item that other companies do in the same way…? 😕 To me that IS business and owning and selling a product that is fair game in the system…
The NFL, MLB, NHL, etc, distributes the rights of the teams using this exact system. They also sell exclusivity to people who want it. FOX had exclusive rights to all visual broadcasts of Saturday baseball games from 9am to 5pm EST in 2009. NO other games could be broadcast on any other visual medium (tv, satellite, internet) during these times… I’m sure they paid for it and MLB made some serious $$ but it really sucked to watch some Tigers v Cubs game when the local team was playing…
I nearly produced a product that would have used purchased rights for material added to the product and the product itself could have been distributed by various companies applying their own images. The idea was to keep as many options to sell the product as open as possible.
JDS may also be under an agreement that they will not sell to another company to distribute under the JDS logo…
As long as the manufacturer and JDS have discussed this and have some type of open agreement I don’t see this as underhanded at all. It’s like the air tanks JDS sells, they don’t make them do they? And the company that does probably sells them to other companies. I’d guess Catalina is the manufacturer and by that anyone other than JDS who distributes Catalina cylinders is crooked? Not so. 😀
If Jim finds a vendor for regulators and enters into an agreement with them to label them as his own then way to go.
That is not what is happening here or at least does not look like it. Hence my reaction to it. You suggested he find out who supplies regs to JDS and cut out the middle man? is that not what you implied by your post?
That is not the way an honorable business man conducts himself.
Jim could check with JDS and see how that goes down and if all is cool then great, good to go.
Just look how we all rallied to shut down the Wok butt copier? So Ifigured you of all people would ‘get’ this.
No one is copying another’s idea here Walt.
Regulators are sold by a company who originated them. They sell to people who then put their name on them to market to various activities. JDS puts his name on them and sells them as do many others. Why do you not want Jim to have the same right?
If getting them through JDS is his only option then do so by all means. But I am pretty sure the thousands of paintball regulators sold by several companies do not get them from JDS.
Getting them through JDS is fine, but so it getting them from the company that manufactures them as well.
Wok, I get how it works.
If Jim finds a vendor for regulators and enters into an agreement with them to label them as his own then way to go.
That is not what is happening here or at least does not look like it. Hence my reaction to it. You suggested he find out who supplies regs to JDS and cut out the middle man? is that not what you implied by your post?
That is not the way an honorable business man conducts himself.
Jim could check with JDS and see how that goes down and if all is cool then great, good to go.
Just look how we all rallied to shut down the Wok butt copier? So Ifigured you of all people would ‘get’ this.
There are a lot of companies putting their name on regulators and they all come from the same source.
Are you suggesting Jim be underhanded and bypass JDS to cut him out of his business?
Wok you should know better as a maker of accesories and marketing them etc. JDS is the one that takes the business risk and buys his regs by volume to sell with his name, his business, his risk, his liability.
Surely you understand that?
Walter….
What I am suggesting is he is not locked into using the JDS regs. There is a source of regulators out there that make them for many businesses. Find the manufacture, contact them and see if he can have some made to his specs and he can put his name on them just like JDS does.
It is the same thing Airhog does for their tanks. Airhog does not make tanks but buys them from the manufacture and puts their name on it.
Or did you not know that?
Is there a reason why you think he should not have a source of regulators directly from the manufacture and should only buy from JDS?
There are a lot of companies putting their name on regulators and they all come from the same source.
Are you suggesting Jim be underhanded and bypass JDS to cut him out of his business?
Wok you should know better as a maker of accesories and marketing them etc. JDS is the one that takes the business risk and buys his regs by volume to sell with his name, his business, his risk, his liability.
Surely you understand that?
Walter….
Try to find out who is making the regs for him and buy from the source. Then you can put your name on it.
There are a lot of companies putting their name on regulators and they all come from the same source.
I’m using them because I like them. He offers them to the market in the pressures that make them usable for decent power and shot count. With the increased pre-chamber volume I can offer with the E-TaCReg I feel the power is going to appeal to the masses.
Jim
Jim, it is not about being PC.
It is rather a matter of honor and integrity. I think you are upstanding and so would understand where I am coming from. The reg you are using is marketed sold and labeled by the one that took the business risk JDSairman. So until such time as you have an agreement in place to resell, repackage and promote such reg as your own then it is in fact a JDS reg. Wok’s comment makes no sense in this instance.
Not about PC nor will it be from me. I am for ‘credit where credit due’ and that is a value I hold near and dear.
Good luck with your bespoke regulator.
Best regards
Walter….
To be P.C. You are correct. But he does bring them to market, so I’ll call them his regs.
I’m using them because I like them. He offers them to the market in the pressures that make them usable for decent power and shot count. With the increased pre-chamber volume I can offer with the E-TaCReg I feel the power is going to appeal to the masses.
Jim
Pretty much a stock valve and 53ci bottle with 12″ barrel and 14.3gr premiers. I was getting over 790fps with spreads of around 9fps for 20 shots. Haven’t sat down and got a shot count yet, but that will be done soon. Don’t have any other barrel lengths to test.
The current set up will indeed be a 2000psi JDS reg bottom half mated to an E-TaC with increased drop and cast off for the bigger bottle.
I have decided not to put an additional gauge on the E-TaC. If you want to tinker with the pressure you can buy a pony bottle pressure gauge from a dive shop and put it in the low-pressure side burst disk port. I’m doing this to help keep costs down.
More info later, just wanted to keep you up to date.
Jim
So a JDS regulator? not really an eTac reg wouldn’t you say?
Walt JDS does not make regulators. He buys them from a company that make them for paintball
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Gotta love Capitalism! Jim any pics of the forearm/suppressor?