Status of the E-TaCREG and other musings.
Hello everyone,
I want to thank you all for your support on my E-TaC venture. But first, the important stuff…
I have begun testing the E-TaCREG..this is the model that will use a paintball (JDS or xpert air) reg built into the E-TaC. It will use a HPA bottle only. Having good success, but won’t release it for sale until I can attest to its durability.
The E-TaC-T-REG is behind schedule.(This is the regulated model that will be made for the Talon/Condor bottle) My quest for a high quality regulator has taken me high and low; and finally, I MAY have a solution that will blow you mind….remember, I said MAY. The current situation is that I have to wait until mid March to begin negotiations with the well-known maker of high quality regs. The entity is interested, but has another obligation that has put me on hold.
This is great news for all of us and I hope it comes to fruition. We’ll all have to wait and see.
Regarding the E-TaC in general, I am humbled by the kind words, and numerous orders I’ve received. I dont’ think it’s polite to say exactly how many are sold, but suffice to say I am half-way to my goal of world domination…LOL. I have sent E-TaCs all over the world. South America, Canada, England, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, the Netherlands all have users.
The current E-TaC is removable, and about a half-inch longer than the original E-TaC. This presented a problem with the check-valve in the Foster fitting to fall into the E-TaC upon filling because there was no valve behind it to hold it in. I rectified that with a short piece of aluminum tubing located under the valve. That problem is solved.
I also found that the Talon and Condor frames are not all the same. Some have commented that the fill nipple might just contact the frame. Even though they clear my frame at the shop. I am working to see if I can lower the fill nipple even further, or find a shorter fill nipple. I may end up grinding off about .010 of the nipple to give it more clearance.
Anyway, just thought I’d give you all an update and let you know I haven’t forgotten about all of you and things are going very well at E-TaC central.
I appreciate all your support and look forward to bringing the newest regulated versions to market.
Regards,
Jim
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Pretty much a stock valve and 53ci bottle with 12″ barrel and 14.3gr premiers. I was getting over 790fps with spreads of around 9fps for 20 shots. Haven’t sat down and got a shot count yet, but that will be done soon. Don’t have any other barrel lengths to test.
The current set up will indeed be a 2000psi JDS reg bottom half mated to an E-TaC with increased drop and cast off for the bigger bottle.
I have decided not to put an additional gauge on the E-TaC. If you want to tinker with the pressure you can buy a pony bottle pressure gauge from a dive shop and put it in the low-pressure side burst disk port. I’m doing this to help keep costs down.
More info later, just wanted to keep you up to date.
Jim
So a JDS regulator? not really an eTac reg wouldn’t you say?
…and am very happy with the consistency and power.
Pretty much a stock valve and 53ci bottle with 12″ barrel and 14.3gr premiers. I was getting over 790fps with spreads of around 9fps for 20 shots. Haven’t sat down and got a shot count yet, but that will be done soon. Don’t have any other barrel lengths to test.
The current set up will indeed be a 2000psi JDS reg bottom half mated to an E-TaC with increased drop and cast off for the bigger bottle.
I have decided not to put an additional gauge on the E-TaC. If you want to tinker with the pressure you can buy a pony bottle pressure gauge from a dive shop and put it in the low-pressure side burst disk port. I’m doing this to help keep costs down.
More info later, just wanted to keep you up to date.
Jim
Hi
I have been searching high and low for a suitable airtank to run the T/C.
I see the problem with the AF tanks. Price and not the best valves.
There are some options that I would like to mention hope its not off topic.
I would also like to see some other input about tank/reg/valve options.
1. Obviously JD 53Ci is way suitable
2. 48-62 Ci HPA Paint ball tanks Couldn’t find dimensions to make easy choice.
3. Any one thought of this ? CO2 Fire extinguisher tanks. I know they use HPA to test these. There must be somthing out there for 3K use???
4th Option Scuba Pony Bottles, again dimensions to be realised.
http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm
Hope this is not off topic, would like to see a thread on just tanks/reg.
But possibly too far gone for that, happy searching… is my friend.
Hey Voltar,
I really appreciate your insight.
The JDS regs go to 2000psi. That’s not good enough. I don’t want to try to boost his regs to 2600psi, I want a reg that is designed for that power.
His regs are approx $70. However, they do not fit the Airforce tanks, therein lies the problem. I want to offer a screw-on reg for the talon tank. HPA bottle users do have a lot of options and the E-TaCREG will be one of them.
The next step is the Airforce bottle reg. I have thought about buying the JDS, using his internals, making a new housing, and going from there…but does that put me further ahead? I personally don’t think so. The important part of the reg IS the internals, and I want to offer the highest quality possible.
I certainly am trying to look at all possible solutions, and appreciate the thoughts from everyone.
Jim
I can’t say for sure, but I’m not sure any of the Crosman guys are shooting 30+ FPE. This is where a reg needs to shine. Regs are easy for a 10-20 ftlb gun, beyond that, fluid dynamics really starts to show.
I’m open to any and all suggestions.
Regards,
Jim
REally? I don’t see where the difference would amount to much. Paintball regs work fine and the high dollar ones run the same components. orings and Belleville washers with Delrin seats
What do you see as the benefit of the high dollar units?
The shortcoming for our purposes will be the regulated volume as you indicate to make much reduced power. BUT that could be a good thing for those wanting that.
For big power forget the reg and concentrate on flattening the bell curve.
Walter….
I agree that paintball regs are cheap and readily available. However, they don’t stack up against the higher quality regs like from Theoben, Korick or others. The output is what’s lacking.
I can’t say for sure, but I’m not sure any of the Crosman guys are shooting 30+ FPE. This is where a reg needs to shine. Regs are easy for a 10-20 ftlb gun, beyond that, fluid dynamics really starts to show.
I’m open to any and all suggestions.
Regards,
Jim
Well, sounds like you’re well on your way to finding the right regulator, just gonna take longer than ANY of us would like!! Want it to be dependable/reliable etc, from a safety standpoint, but also want it to not adversely affect end product marketability (read as PRICE!!).. all I know about regulators is that JDSAirman sells gazillions of bottles with regulators, …I belong to a Crosman forum and LOTS and LOTS of guys there put regulated bottles on pistols and rifles…..from what I read, the majority buy from JDSAirman, and I have as yet to hear of any failures,,,,and his bottles w/regulators are reasonably priced. In fact I have a 13 cu in regulated bottle from him sitting up on my bar..it’s going on my Crosman 2250B carbine HPA gun…. and the “paintball world” is full of regulated bottles,….point is, it’s not new territory, just going to take someone as devoted as you are Jim, to find the right supplier in today’s market. I wish I knew of any leads or ANY info, but I don’t. Just know that we’re all pulling for ya.
How long does it take to get the first prototype/pics and provide some shot strings with the reg installed? I can’t wait to see the results, everything is waiting….., it’s killing me J/K 😆 😆 😆
BTW, Dave is just a Theoben authorized dealer for US and he’s not the only one, he will not go any lower than $250.00 a pop, let forget Dave and move on….
Talked to Dave at Theoben USA….He talked to Martin…can’t get much closer to the source. I was up front with them and told them exactly what I wanted them for and that I would sell a bunch…he was not interested.
So I moved on.
The reg is indeed going to be pricey. Not much anyone can do about that. I’m hoping to be able to provide an excellent product first, then work on pricing.
Regards,
Jim
I agreed, let keep the cost down as much as possible.
Compared to a paintball reg that is a pile of money.
A custom setup like Jim is doing is going to be a pretty tough sell at $200 for a reg and eTac. If that is the price? can’t see it at less This is more complicated than a Selph Valveand he was not making any money at $165 or whatever they were going at.
Walter….
If you could find the source, the price will be approximate $170.00 each. that’s how much I paid for mine.
It is a great reg. However they are not interested in selling it to me.
Besides, it’s over $250 to buy one…Not sure that would get much play in the E-TaC.
Regards,
Jim
Jim
Is it because the price? theoben reg look very solid and small.
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Not really sure what to say here, Voltar.
The E-TaCReg is designed for the HPA bottles. No sense in remaking a readily available regulator when they are…well…readily available.
The E-TaC-TREG will be available for the Airforce bottle…shortly. That will be an entirely bespoke design.
The beauty and benefit of the E-TaCReg is the ergonomic and power benefits over running an Airforce CO2 adapter and the problems therein.
I hope this design makes someone happy.
Regards,
Jim