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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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Why do you want to sell it? Just because of the aggravation you went through? Once I slap the walnut stock on this gun will be tough to beat for backyard safaris on small critters. 😎

These new barrels appear to have broken the bad spell assuming yours is the same as mine and Gabe’s. Mine is set at 800 FPS for the 18.1s or 26 FPE. Not sure on shot count yet. It’s a real shooter out to 50 yards I have tested so far.

Anyone know what max shot count should be at my settings if I fill it to maybe 240 bar? I’ll try it soon enough. I like the power about where it is at. 26 fpe is more than enough for a raccoon with a headshot but my 30 eddy is really for that. No problem on our feathered friends.

My gun arrived today. When I could get to it (other stuff going on) I filled it to 215 bar, and tested it indoors in my basement. I needed to set the scope up anyway, and try it out before going outside with it. Once that was accomplished, the rested gun staked pellets, but that’s not what I could call impressive at 9 yards.I will say it gave me hope. I noted the gun seemed to be shooting hot, but I haven’t chronographed it. It’s using a bit too much air, imo. What’s a good end on the gauge after 12 shots? Anyway, I set up my backyard target at 25 yards. Don’t laugh but I was using a step ladder as a rest, and a min step ladder as a seat. Pretty wobbly, I know. I didn’t want to set up my little shooting bench because I had other stuff going on and couldn’t waste the time. Lots of fidgeting to stabilize myself. I took my time with each shot. Adjusted the scope, and did a best of 8 shots @0.30 c-t-c. Not too bad for a wobbly goblin. I need to get this gun to a range. AA 16-grain pellets only so far.I imagine 18 grain pellets would be more air efficient,
Here’s where I’m at with the gun. I don’t know what barrel is in the gun, and no longer care. I just know it’s not the one which originally came with the gun. I’m not even curious enough to pull the barrel to see if the port inlet is aligned with the grub screw dimple, nor to see if there is a choke, or any identifying marks on the barrel. The OAL is 22.5 inches, with that large gap (not as large as before) between the shroud and the front scope post. The first few shots hit me with blow-by but stopped after a few shots. I own’t waste another dime shipping this gun if I don’t have to. Maybe to sell it. The gun is fine, it shoots head-dead-Sparrow at 25 yards so I can’t complain. I think I’ve had enough with trying to get the spec’d edition. Not worth it for me. The HST needs to be backed off a bit because it sucks up the air. As I said, it shoots hot, but it’s very accurate out to 25 yards at least. I had asked Petr to set the regulator to 135 bar,and the energy to just over 20 fpe. I don’t even care to verify that.
All I want now is what I wanted in the beginning; a gun that shoots well. So far, so good. This gun is a blank slate aside from the 40 or so shots I put through it. Maybe I’ll sell it before I wear the new off of it.
Darryl

Are the CZub anything like CHUD (anyone see the old time movie?). Cannibalistic Humanoid Undergrown Dweller. :rofl:

Ironic I guess
“A bizarre series of murders in New York City seems to point toward the existence of a race of mutant cannibals living under the streets.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087015/

Thanks. I will giver her a try. Yea I was moving the mag around trying to get the pin through it.

quote dman1114:

Secoda… your over thinking it..

Just literally drop the full mag in the slot and close the side lever.

Don’t push the pin through… it will automatically go when you close the side lever

Easiest loading pup out there

Ok – I shot 4 groups at 50Y with the 18.1s. Without going out there :biggrinn: two are below 1/2″, one is about 1/2″, and the last maybe 5/8″. I did sort the pellets and started at 200 bar. For being brand new to this gun and especially the trigger that is pretty damn good IMO. At least good for me considering I have done absolutely nothing to the gun. The trigger measured 7 ozs which might be a tad light if you carry your gun around. Charlie did clean the barrel and adjust the trigger and lube things.

I have a dead tree at 75 yards that sticks up I will use to see how it does on the quarry that frequent there this afternoon.

I don’t know how you guys shoot these guns at sparrow sized targets beyond maybe 50 yards without at least 20-24x scopes. IMO 32x is even better for me. The scope (Aeon 10-40X50) is pretty clear in daylight until it gets up past maybe 34x a bit. I would not buy one but I took it when offered with my Compact purchase. I put the big wheel on it.

Secoda… your over thinking it..

Just literally drop the full mag in the slot and close the side lever.

Don’t push the pin through… it will automatically go when you close the side lever

Easiest loading pup out there

Mine is pretty smooth loading pellets. I want to yank on the lever and none of that is needed with the Mutant. The entire operation is glass smooth. The barrel bluing is a bit different than the rest of the gun but not by much. Hopefully, the new barrels are consistent for others. The Mutant is a tad quieter than the Compact Cricket but it is shooting at less velocity.

The only challenge I have found so far is putting the loaded magazine back into position to lock it. Is there a guideline/method to line it up easier?

All in all this gun has not had any “new gun” issues like my others have had. I suspect that is at least partially because Charlie tested it. Even my Daystate Air Ranger leaked when it arrived. The Edguns arrive as beta. 😯

These tiny guns are the best. It is as small as I can handle and still shoot out past 75 yards well. I tried a guy’s Leyla and that is just not quite enough stock/length to hit well at even moderate ranges (beyond 50 yards) IMO for my taste. For pesting I don’t like to miss.

Not 100% …. I think coda may have a CZub barrel from the manufacture.

All the mutants coming in now will have czub

I got confused on those barrels in terms of “CZUB” vs “CZ Made”. I don’t know what kind of barrel Petr sent for my shorty. But I know it has a choke at 1.25” from muzzle end. And the inlead is not smooth (see picture). The machine bur was fond on the starting rifle line so it “scratched” the pellet during chambering and it is really hard to seat the pellet (at the last push). It was felt like the pellet was grinding in. On the other hand, the CZ-s200 in my standard mutant is very very smooth.

Thanks. I am impressed so far. I just setup fresh targets at 30,40, 50 and will test it doing work breaks. 😆

I am glad it likes the 18.1s because I have close to 10,000 in my pellet inventory. 😆

It took out one sparrow last night and three this morning – it’s intended victims.

I had to do the Caldwell deadshot flip-over on the rear support mount piece to get the supports close enough to hold it. They barely worked on the Compact Cricket but the stock is so tiny on this guy. I use that for pesting and the two bench rests for target shooting.

I have a custom walnut stock coming from Michal in Poland. It should be close to finished if his estimate was right. I will ask for a status today.

The Aeon 10-40x scope I had on the shelf seems to be adequate for now. I am using 30x and it is clear enough to see the whiskers on the sparrows. 😆 The thin gradients are fine for paper punching. It is not quite as heavy as the Sidewinders and doesn’t feel top heavy to me but I never shoot off hand.

I guess I don’t care what the barrel is as long as it shoots like this one seems to. 😛

Brant, Congrats on the Shorty :party:

quote tsakula:

why dont you people like these new barrels from czub?

These new barrels from Czub…. ??? U must know something i don’t know.

My barrel from Petr is also choked. Do you (Gabe and Coda) know the location of the choke from the bore? I just wondered if they are the same. Is the transfer port slanted?

Yep. I managed to push a pellet down and it tightens up near the muzzle. The crown and first part of the barrel looks good to the eye with a HP LED. No lines, scratches, or mars. I can’t imagine it shooting that well without being choked.

The gun and stock was dusted with yellow pollen from outside. I guess it is a bad time if one has allergies.

quote SECoda:

Sounds like we got the same….

quote meech1456:

Coda

I went to check my emails with tgag and they said mine replacement barrel was/is a CZ.

The muzzle crown looks exactly like a cricket I use to own so I do believe it is an original CZ. I’m satisfied with the new barrel. No more flyers :biggrinn:

Gabe

Is it choked?

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