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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

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quote SECoda:

Just got home and the two 18.1 JSB targets from Charlie look pretty good (he tried 3 different pellets). Both are less than 1/2″ at 40 yards and one is under 3/8″. Hopefully, I can mount a scope tonight after I cut the grass but it might be tomorrow.

Coda… what barrel came with your gun?

quote CMRairgunner:

GKU
here’s my FPS #’s
Mutant shorty w/Listone barrel
Max Hst

JSB- 18.1GRN- FPS 805 to 813

Do you have the Max HST velocity with JSB 18g with the choke-less (so call German/Korean) barrel ?

Looking to know the decrease in the FPS to compare to mines.

Thanks ~ Greg

Just got home and the two 18.1 JSB targets from Charlie look pretty good (he tried 3 different pellets). Both are less than 1/2″ at 40 yards and one is under 3/8″. Hopefully, I can mount a scope tonight after I cut the grass but it might be tomorrow.

GKU
here’s my FPS #’s
Mutant shorty w/Listone barrel
Max Hst

JSB- 25.39GRN- FPS 700 to 706
JSB- 18.1GRN- FPS 805 to 813
Crossman Premiers- 14 GRN- FPS 850 to 860

[quote=”endothelium”]Gabe, you should be able to get at least 40 shots from shorty. Your reasons of keeping Shorty are same as mine. Plus, my standard mutant is so accurate with CZ-s200 barrel, I believe Shorty can do the same with the right barrel.

Your correct Endo. I counted wrong. 12 shots per mag not 10 as I originally thought. So I get 3 mags worth plus a few more shots.

Thanks!

Gabe

Endo-

what’s your take on the Short is more air efficient than the Standard? could it be the reg setting? Most of the guys mention the Short is set at 145b and the Standard is at 135b. Got me scratching my head, exact same gun except barrel length and maybe reg setting.

Also what the max fpe can the standard do at standard reg setting of 135b?

Ben

Dman sent me this new spacer to increase the pre-charge camber volume, thus increasing the velocity output comp lost a 20 fps gain for me.

~ Greg

Hi, Greg:

The length of the receiver insert of the barrel is about the same, ~22.3 mm (same as German and Listone barrel). So, the shoulder is cut to right length. The air was coming from both probe and barrel sides. I have also tried the “CZ Made” barrel with loosened setscrew, I carefully marked the location of the “new/correct” dimple location and make sure to match TP. The air leak is minimized. The “CZ Made” barrel TP opening is at upper position (by 1 mm) from the wall compared with the Listone and my standard CZ-s200 barrel. My HST setting is no longer at stock location. My reg was factory set at 135 bars, which is different from yours, so it is difficult to compare the speed between these two guns. But I noticed that the “CZ Made” barrel is always slower than the Listone barrel by ~15 fps, and it has a smaller size of TP compared to the CZ-s200 barrel from my standard Mutant.

I am curious, what is “Dman Swiss cheese per-charge spacer”? Please tell me more about it.

Regards,
Endo

quote endothelium:

Greg, I think the dimple serves two functions, one is to let you align the TP, and second is to secure/reduce the movement of the barrel if barrel clamps gets loose. Without the dimple/setscrew, it is difficult to align the TP to the exact place each time. It will move somehow and somewhat when you try to tighten the barrel clamps. I have tried it and the sound signature is changed without the setscrew…a strange feeling.

I see ………. strange, but off topic On my Cricket Compact I intentionally turn the barrel about 2 hours to close off the TP to detune to 12 fpe instead of adjusting the reg, sloppy yes but easy and faster to go back and forth.

Endo,
Where is the air escaping from, the pellet probe end and or the barrel inlet end ?
Kind of wondering if the shoulder on the barrel was cut to short and not making a good seal on the breech O-ring inside ?

When u receive your Listone barrel I’d like to know how much the velocity drop you’re getting when adding a choke barrel.
The history of my little one ……….. the Mutant 22 Shorty.

History:
Out of box with choke-less (so call German/Korean) barrel, reg @ 146 bar:
JSB 18g = 830 fps peck max HST
JSB 16g = 860 fps peck max HST

added Listone Industry (Taiwanese) barrel upgrade from Dman, reg @ 146 bar:
JSB 18g = 800 fps peck max HST
JSB 16g = 830 fps peck max HST

with the addition of Dman Swiss cheese per-charge spacer, reg @ 146 bar.
JSB 18g = 820 fps peck max HST.
JSB 16g = 850 fps peck max HST

Thank you Sir ~ Greg

Endo, I think we’re in new territory with these guns. Not quite what the manufacturer intended, and not quite what we expected. I honestly don’t know at this point what to expect. I’ll have to withhold final judgement until I get get some trigger time on my sample. Yeah, tough about my delivery, but I hope that’s the worst problem I face in waiting for Tuesday. There’s a lot that has to be right with gun for it to make up for all that brought it and me to this point. That glass needs to be half full.
Darryl

Just pulled it out but have not done much more than look it over for a few minutes. It will be Monday before I have much time.

SECoda, the major issue on the short mutant is created by human errors – sported with inferior barrel, not the gun per se. Hopefully, this will be resolved soon…but who knows. Have you received yours?

Darryl, no big deal…since you have been waiting for her for a few months, and I still remembered I was waiting for R3 for 1.4 years. Three more days are nothing…but itchy. :smilen:

I have been playing with the Shorty with the Listone barrel, hopefully more tomorrow…. :winkn:

well shit and slip on it! FedEx normally does it’s Saturday delivery on this route by mid-morning (10:am). I had to leave at 1:pm, and the notice left by FE stated it had been here at 2:pm. Now it looks like a second attempt will be made on Tuesday. That, plus the new pare delivery person seems to forget I’m on the route at least once a week now. No gun. No paper. And I usually get someone else’s mail too. 😡 Just goes to show; it’s always something.
Darryl

There was more drama back when the first Edgun R3M’s came out IMO than these Short Mutants by a stretch. Talk about problems. :suprisedn:

RS, excellent! :smilen:
Darryl

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