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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

Taipan Air Rifles

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Darryl and Dairyboy, you have good eyes, yeah it is a SWFA scope with Mil-Quad reticle. That scope is SS 20×42 tactical with 0.1 mil turret. It is a nice scope, but I wanted to have it retired because I like to have a FFP scope and the multiple magnifications. SS scope has served me well. I put a large rubber ring on the focus/parallax dial, marked the distance, and “fastened” the rubber ring with a “pig-tail” (Nylon Coasters). So, the focus/parallax adjustment becomes much easier during shooting (see picture). 

Birdman, the new coming scopes are Bushnell Elite Tactical (ET6245FG) 6-24x50mm, FFP, mil-mil turret, G2DMR reticle, and the minimum range down to 20-25 yd, great for airguns. I like G2 reticle, which is a Christmas Tree lay-out, but not too busy compared with the Horus. Unfortunately, it is not an illuminated reticle like her sister (BRT-Mil) does (reticle picture extracted from http://www.opticstalk.com/new-bushnell-elite-tactical-scopes-reticles_topic31341.html). The price for BRT-Mil scope is about $150-200 higher.  OpticsPlanet asks $879 for ET6245FG. Two weeks ago, Amazon dropped the ET6245FG price to ~$790, but I don’t like to pay Amazon tax, so I ask my relatives live in Arkansas (not Hoot: , LOL) to purchase it for me. Then 3 days later, Amazon further dropped the price to ~$725, so I asked my relatives to buy another one for the Shorty, and then pick them up around Christmas.  If you visit Amazon site for this scope, be aware of the 3rd party scams that ask you to contact them first before buying. “Do not buy from third party merchants who ask that you email them before ordering, and be wary of new merchants with no (recent) ratings offering suspiciously low prices.” Just my :2cents:

I couldn’t wait to get those scopes for my Mutants.

Note: The illuminated Bushnell scope is now in the clearance list in Midway for $800. 

Y’all have a blessed Christmas!

Regards,
Endo

SWFA SS 20x scope:

Bushnell Reticles:

That’s a SWFA reticle I would know I have 3 lol great scopes just my :2cents:

So Endo , Tell us what scopes are you getting for your Mutants ?

FROM : THE BIRDMAN

Hey Endo, that reticle looks like it’s a SWFA scope you’re peering through. I hope the new scopes bring you and your Mutant new adventures after the holidays.
Darryl
PS I wish everyone a good holiday season.

quote mughram:

what is your phone ?

if its an iphone

then try app called cute cut pro i guess … my friends use it and they highly recommend it

if its andorid

i use many apps ( inshot, Vivavideo , flipagram ) mostly

Brother Mughram.. thanks for the info. I will check out the iphone app and test them out.
My camera takes better picture/video than my phone does. I am interested in the camera adaptor too. I already have an Orion camera adapter, which is okay, but I am not satisfy with its stability. Let me know if you have a successful mod on the Discovery Optics adapter.

This little guy (see picture), named “Stampede” by the wife, was taken from my camera using Orion adapter attached to the Edgun. He loved to sit beside the target to regurgitate his food and was not scared away by the pellet impact. It was interesting to watch him grow…but I haven’t seen him for more than 6 months. Of course, I didn’t do it… :whistle:

quote darryl:

Endo, I always have room to subscribe. That’s a video of some great shooting.
Darryl

Darryl, in this case, I have to make more videos then…LOL
Finding a time is always a problem…
I will have two scopes coming as a Christmas present for my Mutants…couldn’t wait.

Regards,
Endo

Endo, I always have room to subscribe. That’s a video of some great shooting.
Darryl

quote endothelium:

Now, I am taking tutorial on video making…

Recommend any good/easy app for video editing?

Regards,
Endo

what is your phone ?

if its an iphone

then try app called cute cut pro i guess … my friends use it and they highly recommend it

if its andorid

i use many apps ( inshot, Vivavideo , flipagram ) mostly

yes some smart phones while taking video and shooting the vibrations during shot gives jelly motion

but i guess that effect with new smartphones gone … but still not good as compact camera such as casio / sony / gopro

i’m trying my best to make an adapter such as discovery to fit camera on it ..

quote mughram:

its good adapter i have one

but capturing with phone always gives you jelly motion which is annoying

hopefully in future we get small cam can fit it easly

Brother mughram,

Jelly motion? What is that? :suprisedn:

There are some vibrations during shot, which make the picture burry.
The only way to minimize it is to use a vise to clamp the gun down.
I agree, the limitation is not on the adapter, a good phone camera is essential.
I heard Pixel Phone is great.

Now, I am taking tutorial on video making…

Recommend any good/easy app for video editing?

Regards,
Endo

its good adapter i have one

but capturing with phone always gives you jelly motion which is annoying

hopefully in future we get small cam can fit it easly

When I got home, son was shooting the Mutant Standard. He said it was windy (10-15 mph) from south (left to right on the target). He said the groups were pretty bad and I agreed with him after looking at the targets. So, I set up the scope-phone adapter showing him how to dope the wind. The target was at 50 yard. I was shooting at a single pellet hole (4th row from top and 2nd column from right) that he made earlier since it had a better contrast in this gloomy day. I misread the wind on the 4th shot (the wind suddenly stopped), so I gave an extra shot for the group (total 6 shots).

It was fun to shoot with the phone camera. However, the gun was not clamped with a vise (I used rear sandbags and front bipod) and it was not possible to hold the gun steady with the phone attached while watching the phone, so it was not stable for accurate shooting under my conditions. But it was fun…it is a great phone adapter for teaching (or hunting?) purpose and it can help the analysis of the shot, or pellet flying path, with slow motions. Unfortunately, my phone has a lousy camera.

Then I uninstalled the adapter and weighed it: 7.52 oz (213 gm).

So, kabukicrack, it is not too heavy. It is very sturdy with the scope. The best I have seen/used.

Equipment and Conditions:
Gun – Taipan Mutant Standard .22
Support – Rear Sandbag and Front Bipod
Scope – Hawke 4030; Zero at 30 Yard
Scope Adapter – Discovery Optics (https://www.amazon.com/Discovery-Optics-Adapter-Mounting-Shooting/dp/B01KM46ODU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481403152&sr=8-1&keywords=discovery%2Bphone%2Badapter&th=1)
Pellet -JSB 15.9 grain at 935 fps
Target – 50 Yard, with a holdover ~0.7 mil-dot
Wind – left to right

Temp – 45F

quote kabukicrack:

Endo,

Your Discovery Optics scope cam adaptor looks very nice. Can you weigh the entire kit for us?

Thanks…

I am traveling, will weigh it after I get back tomorrow. It is pretty light as I recall.
Endo

Endo,

Your Discovery Optics scope cam adaptor looks very nice. Can you weigh the entire kit for us?

Thanks…

Yesterday was cold (to someone it might be cool/perfect) and windy, and was raining too. So, I did some testing on the phone adapter in my messy garage. Not bad at all, it is well build and very sturdy in my HK4030 scope. The phone fits very well to the adapter (Picture 1). The only “complain” I have is that the thread length is too long, I have to keep turning and turning to install the main optical tube. But this might strengthen the sturdiness and minimize the movement of the adapter during hammer impact. This adapter also allows me to adjust the distance of the “eye relief” by sliding the tube in or out (Picture 2). Once you get the image you like, then you can lock-in the distance by tightening the collar. Very nice design.

Hopefully, the weather will clear up in next few days.

Regards,
Endo

Picture 1;
Picture 2:

Hoot, did we get the same result? Hoot:
Thanks Darryl. I don’t know if my standard Mutant will get the same result…

Almost a year ago, I got a “Gosky Universal Cell Phone Adapter Mount” from Amazon for the Mutants. It didn’t work out of the box and I had to get a longer screw and a few nuts to get it to work (Picture 1). The adapter was not steady on the scope and it was difficult to mount and adjust. I think it was not really designed for rifle scopes. So, got another type of design to try (Amazon: Discovery Optics Rifle Scope Phone Camera Adapter Mounting System). This phone adapter is specifically designed for rifle scopes and hope it will work as advertised (Picture 2). Interestingly, the manual was printed on the box cover. Searched the Youtube and found they have a video to show how to install the adapter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDMfasr-qug) and an interesting review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSOJVpOMA7c) (but don’t understand what he said). We will see how it goes. It has been raining all day and will be the same for next few days and likely next week……rain rain go away….

Picture 1: Gosky Adapter

Picture 2: Discovery Optics Adapter

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