The rogue will never die!!!
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Here is the article I am mocking.
http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643
Its some guy probally getting paid to hunt with the rouge, I did not read in great detail. Shaggy they use some big words.
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One thing I noticed they said the shot went straight through at 7o yards but I dont see a boolit hole. ❓
Now lets get to their claims.
“We stalked in and I shot freehanded at 70 yards. The Nosler Ballistic Tip passed straight through, causing massive trauma on the way,”
You put a hole into it, I am assuming it hardly deformed.
” remarks on its affordability by those familiar with big bore airguns.”
What!!! I know haley products have had a shady past, I have read the multiple threads but you can get one of his guns putting out more fpe for half the price. And daqs are about this price right? With nice blueing and walnut stocks not some star wars gun.
“The introduction of the Benjamin Rogue .357 in 2011 sent shockwaves through the industry as the company established a beachhead in big bore territory. Targeting imported european air rifles starting at $2000, the Rogue’s electronic valve technology and $1300 price point not only got the attention of airgunners, but of its target market among traditional firearm hunters. After extensive field use by these hunting customers and reviewing their feedback, Benjamin has updated the rifle for 2012.”
You can get a imported eurpean rifle for 1000 bucks, a royale for 1400 and shoot the piss out of it, but you can pull a roach creeck and then its a little more 😆
And I dont think everyone wanting a 22 cal 30fpe light hunter/ plinker is looking for a storm trooper weapon big bore? Or is that just me?
” Heavy Medium / Heavy High and Light Medium / Light High”
Those are the dumbest power level labels I have ever heard. ??? Vegetarian meat burger….
“Where traditional big bore air rifles get one great shot,”
Bull shit its usually 2 with most big bores, and a solid follow up, some of the smaller ones up to 5 or more. Sam yang….
“Rogue set to Heavy (grain weight) High (power) gets three at a targeted 200 fpe. Set to Heavy Medium, this increases to 7 great shots at 180 fpe.
When the shooter goes with a lightweight bullet (135 grains or less) set to high power they can expect four shots at a targeted 176 fpe. Set to Light Medium, the shot count goes up to 12 with 148 fpe.
More reliability, more consistency. And more shots than big bore airguns at any price level.”
Gamo.
“The Rogue has been the first big bore gun for many of its owners and we wanted to enable the option of a handpump for those folks who may not want to invest in a tank or don’t have an easy way to get a tank filled,”
There is actually a famous pirate from hawaii who has taken pigs and mongoose alike with new to the market technology big bores filled by….A HAND PUMP!
Then they have this video at the bottom. It is titled benjamin rogue worlds most powerful production rifle.
The rogue is whatever, but they are becoming like gamo with this marketing. Honestly I am used to hyped velocity figures but that article is full of blatant lies.
😡 And powder burner guys are not gonna be happy when they see what else is out there for there 1300 dollars.
I should have my 308 back from Jack next week by the way 😀
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One thing i just can’t digest is the fact that i was told that Ian did the hunt with the Rogue as sorta a GOOD WILL THING. Crosman had nothing to do with the hunt nor were they aware that the hunt was gonna take place. 😯
So wait, Ian Hartford (i have no idea of that hunters name, just going off memory), gets a Rogue 2.0 that doesn’t even exist yet or whatever, and he decides to spend gobs of corporate TWH money to take the Rogue 2.0 on its maiden voyage hunt? I truly know nothing about how pro-staff, journalist and writers get discounts or free trips to hunt on but, i do know an African hunt with those 3 animals has to be about 5-10 times more expensive than the Rogue itself. African safari hunts are DAMNED expensive. And so Ian did the hunt for FREE?! REALLY!?
OK, guess i’ll leave the Rogue alone now. At least till the next story on it comes around
Well I read the post, but I don’t comment much on them, cause when I do I can’t show evidence, and wouldn’t if I could, cause of the legalities in my state. There is *foot pounds of energy* that is arguable (TKO) still arguable, and then the old Shoot the Log trick that they say is the most accurate”Still I’m in conflict with it.;) Now first a 22 magnum will go through 4 2X4’s back to back, and it is well known that a 22 magnum will take out anything in North America, undisputed by every hunter including myself. So I ask myself(Self!) What is the most accurate way of testing a Bullet? I done stated that Fred Bear takes out Elephants with a recurve Bow;) A compound bow only puts out 39 foot pounds of energy flying a 400+ grain arrow at 190 FPS, I done this test myself. Then I take a Corsair 308 doing over 200+ FPDS and it shoots through a Lowes heavy treated 4X4 like a hot knife through Butter(Try this your self (9Amazing isn’t it?) When a 400+ grain arrow wont even shoot throgh a 2X4 at 10 Yards, yet at 25 yards a 115 Grain pellet will shoot through a 4X4 and it don’t hardly move;) and the 400+ grain arrow will shoot plum through a deer at 20 Yards, but a 115 Grain pellet won’t do that at 25 yards. Wellshithowdy, I’m lost for words, and what we are bickering about, is not in physics. I kow this old country Boy, that’s seen it all and done it all, looks at these kinds of numbers and all you all can say is ,, its like a 38 Smith and wesson(belly gun) ect ect. Not one person on tag forums can explaine one time the Physics of their argument ,, not even me. so here is the simple truth to the matter,, if 39 foot pounds can kill a deer, explaine why 200+ FPDS can’t kill a deer 😀 😀 A pellet with bullistice tips cant do it? yet a braod head can? Now don’t come in here bashing my bad spelling as a way of cuircumventing my remark,, but show me in Physics why I’m wrong!!! Uh Good afternoon my fine TAG friends. 😀
Well again, via emails and youtube inboxes, i’ve been promised GROUPS from the Rogue 2.0. TOMORROW…..lol! (u just can’t make this shit up)
One thing i just can’t digest is the fact that i was told that Ian did the hunt with the Rogue as sorta a GOOD WILL THING. Crosman had nothing to do with the hunt nor were they aware that the hunt was gonna take place. 😯
So wait, Ian Hartford (i have no idea of that hunters name, just going off memory), gets a Rogue 2.0 that doesn’t even exist yet or whatever, and he decides to spend gobs of corporate TWH money to take the Rogue 2.0 on its maiden voyage hunt? I truly know nothing about how pro-staff, journalist and writers get discounts or free trips to hunt on but, i do know an African hunt with those 3 animals has to be about 5-10 times more expensive than the Rogue itself. African safari hunts are DAMNED expensive. And so Ian did the hunt for FREE?! REALLY!?
OK, guess i’ll leave the Rogue alone now. At least till the next story on it comes around
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The problem I see with the Rogue and Crosmans mouth pieces is this.
Forget that Crosman lied to us to try and take our money for a gun they knew was not a working model and had flaws they could not fix, forget it is inaccurate and jams and leaks.
They are shooting big game with it and we hear of the successful hunts, what about the ones we don’t hear about?
It is a 38 S&W.
148 in the 700 FPS range is a 38 S&W, and I am not talking about a 38 Special. The 38 S&W is the anemic belly gun cartridge that came into vogue in the 1880’s in the fragile break top revolvers.
At the time it and the 32 S&W struck fear in the hearts of thugs, remember this was before antibiotics and they died from infection.
Name me a state where you can hunt deer of elk with a 38 S&W, no state will allow this, and the answer is simple, it is unethical.
I have owned and shot many examples, I collected them for years, I loaded hundereds upon hundereds of 38 S&W rounds with both black powder and smokeless, and I am here to tell you, it is an anemic round.
But air gunners think that if this same bullet, which does not expand, and lacks the frontal area to be a good killer even if it were possible to launch it at respectable velocities, they think that if it comes from an air gun it is one hell of a killer.
Bullshit pure and simple brought on by inexperienced hunters.
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I think we all know what the Rogue is, a tarted up big bore with an electronic solenoid. It was designed by committee and manufactured as cheaply as possible. Not ever having seen one up close I can only assume that it’s probably made in China like everything else.
Now that Crosman realizes they’ve got a flop on their hands they’re trying to recoup as much money as possible by pushing existing units to sell through aggressive marketing and discounted prices (currently $1295 at PA). Can’t fault them for trying.
Vote with your dollars. Don’t support a company that sells crap that’s made in China. If no one buys their crap, they have to come up with something that people will buy, that is our power. Use that power to support companies and people that sell quality products that are made here at home. TT, Wok, Joe B, Pro Chrono, AF, BKL, etc.
Here is the article I am mocking.
http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643
Its some guy probally getting paid to hunt with the rouge, I did not read in great detail. Shaggy they use some big words.
😆
One thing I noticed they said the shot went straight through at 7o yards but I dont see a boolit hole. ❓
Now lets get to their claims.
“We stalked in and I shot freehanded at 70 yards. The Nosler Ballistic Tip passed straight through, causing massive trauma on the way,”
You put a hole into it, I am assuming it hardly deformed.
” remarks on its affordability by those familiar with big bore airguns.”
What!!! I know haley products have had a shady past, I have read the multiple threads but you can get one of his guns putting out more fpe for half the price. And daqs are about this price right? With nice blueing and walnut stocks not some star wars gun.
“The introduction of the Benjamin Rogue .357 in 2011 sent shockwaves through the industry as the company established a beachhead in big bore territory. Targeting imported european air rifles starting at $2000, the Rogue’s electronic valve technology and $1300 price point not only got the attention of airgunners, but of its target market among traditional firearm hunters. After extensive field use by these hunting customers and reviewing their feedback, Benjamin has updated the rifle for 2012.”
You can get a imported eurpean rifle for 1000 bucks, a royale for 1400 and shoot the piss out of it, but you can pull a roach creeck and then its a little more 😆
And I dont think everyone wanting a 22 cal 30fpe light hunter/ plinker is looking for a storm trooper weapon big bore? Or is that just me?
” Heavy Medium / Heavy High and Light Medium / Light High”
Those are the dumbest power level labels I have ever heard. ??? Vegetarian meat burger….
“Where traditional big bore air rifles get one great shot,”
Bull shit its usually 2 with most big bores, and a solid follow up, some of the smaller ones up to 5 or more. Sam yang….
“Rogue set to Heavy (grain weight) High (power) gets three at a targeted 200 fpe. Set to Heavy Medium, this increases to 7 great shots at 180 fpe.
When the shooter goes with a lightweight bullet (135 grains or less) set to high power they can expect four shots at a targeted 176 fpe. Set to Light Medium, the shot count goes up to 12 with 148 fpe.
More reliability, more consistency. And more shots than big bore airguns at any price level.”
Gamo.
“The Rogue has been the first big bore gun for many of its owners and we wanted to enable the option of a handpump for those folks who may not want to invest in a tank or don’t have an easy way to get a tank filled,”
There is actually a famous pirate from hawaii who has taken pigs and mongoose alike with new to the market technology big bores filled by….A HAND PUMP!
Then they have this video at the bottom. It is titled benjamin rogue worlds most powerful production rifle.
The rogue is whatever, but they are becoming like gamo with this marketing. Honestly I am used to hyped velocity figures but that article is full of blatant lies.
😡 And powder burner guys are not gonna be happy when they see what else is out there for there 1300 dollars.
I should have my 308 back from Jack next week by the way 😀
I saw those big words on there,, couldn’t even pronounce them;) Now lets see here,, My Corsair wont kill a deer, at 200+ FPDS but the Rugue will. Now let me see here being the Corsair has more TKO than a 22 magnum, and simce the 22 magnum will definatly take a deer or anything else but Probably not a Kodiac Bear because their Scull is real thick, so since Fred Bear Takes elephants with a recurve, and Rogue just took a record Deer, wink wink,,?
Well I keep most of my info to myself, if you ever pass a hunter in the woods you don’t stop and say hello he might get Pissed,,,, so I don’t give privelidged Info on the WWW dot COM,,… But I still say, I wouldn’t have a Gun that requires a battery to shoot. Heck I can jump out of a tree and use a stun gun and then stick it and let it bleed If I want to use Batteries,;) and a Stun Gun isn’t illeagel to carry in West Virginia or a Tazer for that matter, so go figure. 😉 Good eveing to my TAG friends…
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Perhaps Crosman will make a game call to go with their Rogue.
A small tuna sized can made in china like the rest of their products that sounds like a bucket of corn being rattled.
Along the same subject,
I at one time was so good at calling coyotes that I killed one with a Handyman Jack, by hitting it behind the ear.
The fact that it was attached to the front bumper of a US FIsh and Wildlife Ford Bronco going 70 MPH is of no importance….
Just like the fellow in the Utube video your arguing with Tof.
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Roachcreek
Can anyone actually buy a 2.0 yet?
The big question to him would be “did you pay full retail for the rifle?” 😉
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I know zip about the Rogue (other than personally, they seem ugly, but I’m spoiled by my Royale 500 & Daystate MCT . . . what can I say? I like walnut & laser-like accuracy), but I’ll try to clarify one point:
A broadhead (arrow) kills via massive blood loss from a clean-cut/sliced wound channel. While there is some blood loss attributed to bullet wound channels, unless one severs a major artery, hits the heart, brain, etc., bullets kill by the shock imparted & the collateral organ/bone/tissue damage realized with maximum penetration. The larger the critter, the more energy needed to ensure that a bullet/pellet achieves adequate penetration. My canned statement to to those I’ve encountered who claim sub-calibers are plenty for things like deer, coyotes, etc.: Would you hunt dangerous game with a sub-caliber?
Oh, & shoot your corsair or even an ’06 into a sand bag; it will stop the round, whereas a lowly field point-tipped arrow out of a 55# recurve will penetrate clean through the bag. Physics says that’s the difference between a 500/600-grain arrow that DOESN’T deform/mushroom and a much faster 180-grain jacketed lead bullet that does. If deer were constructed of 4x4s, we’d all be hunting with 458s & solid slugs, lol.