1st Rogue in…….NOT GOOD
If you haven’t seen it over on the Yellow, the 1st Rogue experience is not a good one.
I have to say that even today, i am still amazed at how folks will DEFEND a gun that doesn’t shoot well and its manufacturer. Were is the FIGHT in all of us anymore? Everyone is telling the guy to send the gun back to Crosman and Crosman will make it right. Am i the only IDIOT who still beieves in the simple principle that if they don’t get it right the first time then why give them a second one. For 1300-1500 bucks, 25 bucks for 25 bullets, and a shit load of HYPE, if i got results like what that guy got, Crosman would receive a RETURN package from me alright, but my Rogue would not be in it…lol. It just amazes me how folks get crap and all anyone can say is, “they’ll do you right, send it back”. It cost time and money to ship a gun “ONCE PAID FOR” back for repairs or service that it SHOULD NOT NEED in the first place. Trust me, i know that if i DO NOT know how to work on airguns, then i have no choice but to return it but this is simply BULLSHIT.
I guess my attitude comes from having one too many AIRguns that cost a ton of money have issues from the jump. BB guns simply COST waaayyy to fucking much money for what they are and for the problems they have to exist when NEW.
AM I THE ONLY ONE?
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Can’t be any more complicated then the Daystate setup… 😉 😆
Customer: My gun doesn’t work correctly.
Crosman: What did you expect? It’s a Crosman… 😆
LOL…that is what “EXPECT MORE” means. In the Rogues case, the gun does not WORK but it does cost 1300 bucks. So….for 1300 bucks, you simply expect the gun to “WORK”.
And RS, i sure don’t recommend MOST folks take it apart either. But i would, that’s why i said “I WOULD”. Simply not scared of whats inside that gun. I know when to stop. Most of the guys that own them so far do exactly what THEY should do, return it to Crosman for nothing to get resolved. Bet it’s not as hard as most think it is. Mostly everything today is solid state an i’m sure, its mostly a computer board along with 2 batteries and 2 wires that go to some type of copper wire wrapped solenoid. I THINK…..lol
I hope ALL “NEW” airgun builders and manufacturers learn from Crosmans ROGUE mistakes. With the recession especially, people want more for their money and they also EXPECT MORE.
Expect more? 😯
Nope, I just expect it to work properly…
From high end manufactures I have higher expectations, but they create that type of thinking.
With Crosman if it works like it should you can consider yourself lucky.
😕 In my book that is a failure as far as producing stuff goes…
Reminds me of my Audi Allroad.
137 MPH all wheel drive with a suspension that could lower to a Porche heigth for serious curves with the twin turbo’s and then raise to Dodge 4×4 heigth to go elk hunting.
Only problem was I had to hook it up to a Audi computer about every 6 weeks for a $1000.00 repair.
Great idea, poor execution, I traded it for a 2nd hand Ford Explorer v8 all wheel drive. Same idea but far more simple concept.
Yes Butcher, I based that opinion of the undelivered Rogues, as you know from my posts, on the failures of Crosman to provide the shooting public with a simple reliable working PCP.
I said it here and on the Yellow many times, and got lambasted every time. I did not have a Rogue, so how could I say such a dastardly thing?
Then when that corporate idiot said it did not have the power to kill a deer with a chest shot, so you must shoot them in the head, that was beyond belief. I still didn’t own a Rogue, but I have killed more deer than that Walter Mitty nimrod had viewed thru hunting glass, including his TV set.
Now even the imbred Crosman idiot horde on the Yellow seem to have seen the light on this folly.
My next big bore by the way, will be a muzzle loader upper in .58 to bolt onto my Ranger 45. Proven technology.
But it will be a propper use of computer products applied on a gun, which is, it is built on a CNC machine and ordered by me on a laptop 😆 .
Regards,
Roachcreek
I am sort of with you Butcher
my outlook is that they would have done better to use the .25 Marauder breech & barrel as a jumping point for this Evalve techbology
that way at least they would have proven mechanics to use
the Rogue on the other hand is all new and as yet unproven mass production technology…only thing it may hold in common with any other Crosman product is the raw 1.25″ tubing used in the pressure tube and perhaps the shroud tubing and end fill assembly
pretty sure the pressure tube stock is the same as the Maruader but may be wrong on that
as far as tearing it down
I really wouldn’t advise that for most folks
this monstrosity is using an electro pneumatic valve…no hammer
you have micro sensors and likely an EPROM driven brain to drive the functions
this is NOT a system that lends itself to easy tuning unless you qualify yourself as one serious hard and soft ware hacker in addition to being an already accomplished tuner
even then it’s an iffy proposition
think of it this way…
perhaps one can seal everything up, maybe even port out the valve but to really change it you will have to write new software for it.
and of course you do that you lose that wonderful customer service…snickers
Controlled Leak Technology……….NOW THATS FUNNY AS HELL. 😆
I hope ALL “NEW” airgun builders and manufacturers learn from Crosmans ROGUE mistakes. With the recession especially, people want more for their money and they also EXPECT MORE.
Even tho I have never owned one, I called this one correctly before anyone owned it.
Regards,
Roachcreek
I think a lot of folks that have experienced the Mrods/Prods, or witnessed those experiences called this one. Seems it was designed to fail from the get-go. To complicated for a mass-produced gun….especially for a traditionally low-end company such as Crosman. They should have tested the waters with their toe by introducing a mechanical design first, before jumping into uncharted waters with this “contraption” of a rifle.
Maybe they should have called it the Fizzler.
Even tho I have never owned one, I called this one correctly before anyone owned it.
Regards,
Roachcreek
That’s because it didn’t have the benefit of Crosmans cutting edge “controlled leak” technology!
Sorry…..had to do it. It’s getting WAY to deep over at Crosman customer service. Red Flags at every turn.
I stored a Career 300 for 2 years and it did not leak 1 psi
Seirra,
Now, i will say this. The Rogue is new. By new, not only is the gun new but the design is new to us and Crosman. So i can honestly say with an open mind that we don’t really UNDERSTAND or even KNOW how the gun is built internally. If i owned one, mine would have been stripped down by now…lol. I have always told folks that if someone builds you crap then it’s almost impossible for you to return it to get it fixed and it comes to you BETTER. Crosman is a perfect example of my very thinking. So in saying all that, i’m saying that maybe Crosman designed the gun to leak………….I HAVE NO REAL IDEA. But i say this, IF THEY DID, THEY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY DID. But from what i’ve heard and read, it sounds like the gun SHOULD NOT LEAK but they can’t figure out WHY IT IS LEAKING. To me, its somewhere right there under that damn set screw. And that set screw that holds down the barrel which leaks is the part that concerns me. HOW DID THEY DESIGN THE BARREL AND PORT HOLES is my question? Something is seriously SCREWY inside that gun (bad design and the engineer is NOT gonna get a raise:lol:).
But going to the END of my point………….NO AIRGUN REGARDLESS OF DESIGN SHOULD LEAK EVEN 70 psi per day or AT ALL. I honesly have airguns that not only hold a fill indefinitely but, i can shoot them today and when i’m done, fill them up to 3000 psi….put it in the gun case till next week and they gun will still be at EXACTLY 3000 psi. If it isn’t, i will strip it down to find the messed up oring.
Simply imagine if your trusty old 30-06 ammo leaked a grain of gunpowder a day outta their shells……………..lol. Would that be NORMAL?
ok, think I can handle that…waiting for an order to come in, but should be able to do the chrony test with all my throw away boolits
Another weird rogue thing…has to be related to the airleak
after sitting around for a few days…it takes like 6 shoots to build up pressure to fire.
1 shot…small puff of air heard
2 shot…small puff of air, but more
3 shot…puff, more
4 shot…puff, but enough to send a boolit about 5 feet out
5, 6…more and more until it seems to shot the correct pressure
I can’t wait for someone to try and use this hunting….they fill it with air, head out….spot something, take aim…puff…WTF
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also about the leak, seems this guy called crosman and they said it was designed to vent up to 250PSI per day?
http://www.marauderairrifle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2161#p12564
Even on the repair sheet crosman sent back, they tested mine over 24hrs and rifle had a 76PSI leak…so they sent it back knowing it had an airleak.
The same as Butcher. Since your gun seems to be the 1st ACCURATE gun of the bunch, it doesn’t sound like you have clipping or accuracy issues at all.
If you shoot groups, please separate your targets. The last post done with targets, the shooter used a sheet of cardboard and plastered like 12-1″ dots on it and took more than 3 shots on some (12-??) and on a few he only too a few shots. The target board looked a mess and his explanation was very confusing as to which groups was which. I can’t stand to see a target with 20 holes in it and the person circles the cluster of tight shots and sais, “yeah, this cluster is the group, the other shots were sight-in”. Sight the gun in at distance then throw away the sight in target as its never important then only show that targets with a CLEAR GROUP.
Other than that Butcher described my wants pretty well.
And yes, while its common for a airgun to leak, its not normal. A leak simply means something is not right in the gun. Bad orings are most common. The fill nipple can also leak if it gets debris in it. But from what i’ve seen, it seems the leaks out of the Rogue come from the SET SCREW that holds down the barrel.
Take a look at this post to see if your gun is leaking from the same place:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1317668827/The+Rogue+Experience—continuum—
I’m no expert, but maybe I can answer any missing questions.
I first posted about my rogue here:
http://www.marauderairrifle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2143
Short Version of that Post:
Rogue got “Critical Halt High PSI”…sent back for repairs
Since I’ve got the rifle back and was able to shoot 1 day
*Not safe to shoot in my back yard, so I have to do it on the weekends else where
My rogue seems mainly “fixed” lol…still a 100PSI leak per day, Normal?
I didn’t do anything in depth, just wanted to see if it was working after getting it back.(no pics)
I found that nosler and roundballs (.358) would shoot very well, hole in hole @ 30yards.
*Everything else I tested were random…Dash Caliber, Air Venturi, Eun Jin
*Didn’t check if they were clipping the baffles, so
anyway, let me know what you would like to see….
No a slow leak is not normal, nor acceptable.
I would like to see a 20 shot chrony string on low using light 100 grain slugs, a 10 shot string on medium using medium weight slugs, and…..lets say a 4 shot string with heavy slugs on high power.
I would like to see accuracy demonstrated at no closer than 50 yards. All groups shot off the same fill of air (no refilling/tethering).
I would like to see the magazine function.
Once you are familiar with required fill pressures for different boolit weights, the number of shots you get per fill, etc, I would like you to stop looking at the readout whenever possible, then explain whether or not the electronics serve any real purpose, or are of any practical use to you whatsoever.
From where I sit, it appears the rifle behaves just like a mechanical valve airgun only it has an electronic readout displaying information that anyone familiar with their mechanical valve rifle would already know by paying attention while shooting the rifle for a week. If this view is mistaken, please demonstrate. What can the computer do that a person cannot quickly figure out on their own?
As an aside, I would like to see Crosmans’ QC improve, or at least get customer service to send out replacements that function properly.
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LOL….good one 😆