Any interest in a group buy for custom bullet molds?
I recently talked to Jerry about copying the surefire design since he will no longer be making slugs. I know that NOE makes custom moulds of 15 or more. I am still waiting to hear back from Gary Barnes who Jerry said actually designed them, With his OK, I figured we could move foward if there is enough interest. So what do you guys think ?
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Knife,
I think your confusing my posts with some others.I have a .251 tjs 1-14 barrel and one of Dougs valves from doing my research and seeing that the lw barrels were not consistent for shooting slugs. I have found alot of info on .257s but not as much .251s. Being new to this and seeing how small a difference .006 is I thought they could be sized down. This is after finding conflicting information on this being a good idea or not.Also this thread was started by me in interest of being able to make surefire slugs which I knew from research and my own experience work great in my gun.At that time I knew nothing of Doug working on a better slug.I will continue to do my research and thank you and the other guys that have helped.
What the Fuck??? 😯 We HAVE told you. It has been posted here over and over again. Shit Man! 👿
No one here has done anything to deserve you saying your being made to feel sorry for asking. All anyone has done is try to HELP you. and yes, there are tons of info on shooting sluggs and BULLETS, (Which are NOT the sam thing). Search is your friend.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. You are still going to have the problem of WRONG TWIST RATE for bullets in a WL barrel. I don’t give a dayum whether you cut the choke off or not.
Roach Creek wrote extensively here on the forum about the trials of trying to get the bullets to shoot in a Walther barrel, along with his results. I have one such bbl. with the choke cut off here and it SUCKS!. I have also given results And so have others. Just this week a poster said he was haveing good results with the “Sluggs” at 50 yards with 2-3 inch groups. Folks, that is terrible results. Not Good results! Period!!!
In fact, OldGoat sent the barrel, ( A walther .25 wit the choke removed), to me as a joke, knowing I would pop a vessel trying to get the damed thing to shoot. It Didn’t Shoot for crap! Old Goat thought it was funny as hell. He too had already learned that it Doesn’t work! A lot of us have tried it. And we have all had the same results. All Bad! 👿 And we have all said so.
Don’t set there and tell us there is no info. There is a hell of a lot of info here. RoachCreek, Tufazfou, Dyotat, KnifeMaker have ALL posted a great deal on it. Are you completely asleep or what?
What more do we have to do to get you to pay attention?
If an AF gun owner can change a bbl from .177 to .22 to .25. then why in hell is it too much trouble to change a bbl to .257? Why does this and only this barrel have to be able to shoot TWO Different Calibres. We don’t expect this from any other barrel.
Is it so hard for some to get it into some peoples heads that a .25 barrel and a .257 barrel are not the same caliber? ATTENTION!!! .25 and .257 ARE NOT THE SAME CALEBER! GET IT????? What more are we going to have to do to get some here to pay the fuck attention? 😕
Your not stupid. Your not ignorant, and you weren’t born yesterday. So WTF?
Waiting is such sweet sorrow 😆 Hell, 9-12 months is nothing; order a Ranger from Dan and see how long it takes (20 months and counting).
OG, you know we’re gonna want the details when you get that .25 R3 spittin’ slugs. However, we’ll need to keep this info secret from Hoot, encrypt it or something. We don’t want Hoot hurting himself. He only recently got back from the grave. 😛
Hey Doug: I agree with you 100%!
An add on kit would just be a waste of money. The kit’s pieces would still need tuning to get the best accuracy from the kit parts after they were installed in the gun.
I am one of the lucky ones that jumped in on your offer of the 8 Air Force full house .257” slug guns that you said that you would build and sell.
Remember me? 😆
I DO understand the wait time for a custom gun! It seems like I usually wait 9-12 months for my next Matador and I am in no real hurry for my full house .257” Air Force gun from you.
I’m currently working on making my 25 cal R3 long shoot my .257” cast 47-52 grain cast slugs at 885 fps. It is going to take some work and a lot of $ before I get there but, I really think that I can get it to give me around 35-40 regulated shots with a 47 grain cast bullet at 885 fps. Time will tell.
It would be so simple to just buy the parts and install them, unfortunately, it doesn’t work out that way: at least for me!
You can’t offer a kit and have it fit right. AF frames are not consistent in ID size.
To spent all the money to go .257 and not have it fitted to your frame is a waste. One of reason the .257’s I have done shoot so good is everything is hand fit.
That’s one of the reasons some AF guns have poi changes. Lose fitting bushings to the frame and barrel. Some guns are looser then others.
I’ve barely got my TT AAA Condor .25 broke in.
I’m not gonna cut off the choke aSure Fire slugs appear to work. I’m sure some improvement can be made but it is a big step up from .22 calibre
IF AND WHEN someone offers a kit including barrel, hammer, etc. etc. to fully upgrade to .257, then I also will be ordering.But, at present it appears it is not a sure thing to order a .257 barrel other than direct, and then wait for who knows how long…
in the meantime, I want to acquire one or more moulds on the order of Jerry’s Sure Fire slugs for my .251.
If it takes a group order to have Jerry’s slugs duplicated or modified, I’m In for two of each such mould.
Someone else needs to do the leg work but it shouldn’t take as long as to get all the parts, pieces, and machining for a .257.
Yes,There is a ton of info on the web and we all know if its on the web it must be true 😀 Seriously though,I for one did alot of research and did not find much useful. As a matter of fact I read reviews on 257 molds where guys said how great they worked sized to 251. I guess thats only true for the BPs. 😕 One way to separate fact from fiction is to ask questions on forums and here we are. I dont mean to waste Doug or anyone elses time but even a loner like myself knows sometimes ya gotta ask for help. 😳 Of course then theres always someone who wants to make you feel sorry you did. 🙁
Guys, as Doug has stated and with there being a ton of info on the web now, there are a lot of custom mold makers which means someone like Veral Smith at LBT molds can duplicate an existing bullet/design and make a mold in .251 cal. There are others too. Do some research on the matter……………..
I would never size down past .003″ and lead will start to smear and you will gunk up your sizer. Take the time and order the right stuff the right way the 1st time and it will pay off. Don’t size down pre existing bullets from 260 or .259 or .258 or .257 down to .251.
So now guys with .251 bores can opt to cast. TJ’s even offers a beter barrel in 251 as doug stated so you can have a slug gun and a pellet gun all at the switch of a barrel :8:
A lot of folks, including myself, already have .25s with enough potential power to launch a slug. Hoot’s ghost is slavering at the possibility. Getting more ammo choices is always a good thing 😉
My “Dream Condor” would be able to shoot slugs and .25 Kings, with a regulator for the Kings. By simply screwing on the Etac/reg/bottle+valve or slug-designed bottle+valve either ammo could be used. Oh, and quieted w/ a shroud. In fact, such a weapon is nearing completion. But, not by my hands. 
Anyway, while knife has good points, the whole art and science of airgunning moves forward with new ideas, designs and experimentation. Dyotat has gone where “no man has gone before” on many occasions. Progress includes problem solving. We’re lucky to have guys like Tony, Dyotat, Veral, Wok and all the others making new cool things :8: Others, like Ride and Ernest improve the performance of existing air guns and our ability to work on these guns. Gotta love it.
To the greater good!… :18:
I will send you somethings to try. I have 420 hp, 420, and the LBT.
Knife,I understand what your saying but its kind of tough to give up on the 251 after buying a valve and barrel already.$500 is alot of money for me to say,Oh. Well,Lets try this again in a different size and hope that works out.
roachCreek did a lot of testing with teh .25 and .257 My 257420 cast at .258 which is a little better, but still too big to size down well. RC found that anything more than sizing down .oo3 really caused problems.
Best case is to use a .257 bbl. for sluggs and a .25 for pellets. There are quite a few rifle bullets out there for .257. None for .25 as the .25 is a pocket pistol bullet. With the excepiton of custom molds, there just about isn’t anything available.
Add to this that anytime you order a one of custom mold, whether it works at all is all on you and YOUR design. Why go thru the trouble, trials and expense when there are much less expensive and well proven options in .257?
the .25 in bullets is really an answer to a question that no one has had a reason to ask. Go with teh .257 and be done with it! 😉
Knife
You can size it down if it is done right. But it has a lot more friction because the drive band get wider and the gas check is now almost the same size as the drive bands.
You have to use the Lee alox sizing lube and read the instructions.
Yeah,Thats why I bought that mold but Doug was saying its no good sized down. Ill still try some since I have already ordered everything,but trust that these guys have more experience then me and if they can save me from going down the wrong paths Ill take there advice.
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I guess this thread was intended as a .25 caliber mould thread seeking a good replacement for Jerry’s Surefire, .25 caliber SLUGS.
Not every mould post has to be about the superior .257 knife.
Oh, I may get sent back to my cold corner and eat shit for that comment 🙄
I WANT A .257 ALSO but, Jerry got me in trouble by providing a SLUG that shoots with reasonable accuracy and a hell of a whack :!:J
Thanks a lot Jerry. No, really THANK YOU ❗